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Old 11 November 2016, 07:30
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General Question on Marine SGM's

Just a few general questions on Marine SGM's.

Do Marines with lots of MarSoc time get promoted faster to SGM than Marines with more conventional time? I pinned on SGM with under 19 years, which was considered pretty fast for the Army, but my time was all in SF.

What is considered "fast" and what is "normal" for promotion to SGM?

Do Marine SGMs (I know should be SGsM) have a special MOS code like the Army has Z for 8's and 9's?

I had Air Force, Navy and Marine classmates in my Sergeants Major Academy Class at Ft Bliss - but very few. Do the Marines have their own SGsM Academy or is it combined with the Navy?

Just wondering this morning.
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Old 11 November 2016, 08:47
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SgtMaj in the Corps is not MOS dependent. Most who serve in MarSoc will go on to be MGySgt's instead of SgtMaj as this is the tactical/technical route instead of the "leadership" route.

As to promotion- considering that most USMC SgtMaj used B billets to accelerate themselves, being a SgtMaj under 20 is normal.

From what I understand USMC SgtMaj get slots to the SGM Academy. The Corps couldn't run it's own. Population is too small.
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When I helped with the Young Marines in the 80s my friend was a Gunny on the I & I staff. Years later he served in 2 B billets-recruiter and drill instructor. From 2003-2006 he was Sgt Maj of MCRDSD, BG Paxton commanding. He never forgot that helped him with the YM program. When my wife and I visited MCRDSD we were well taken of. Later that Sgt Maj was Sgt Maj, 1st Mar Div. he retired in 07. This L/Cpl will always remember the Sgt Maj.
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Old 11 November 2016, 11:15
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. From 2003-2006 he was Sgt Maj of MCRDSD, BG Paxton commanding.
SgtMaj Pulley? As for the OP, I suggest that you PM 'Snipe' as he would be able to answer your question best.
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Just a few general questions on Marine SGM's.

Do Marines with lots of MarSoc time get promoted faster to SGM than Marines with more conventional time? I pinned on SGM with under 19 years, which was considered pretty fast for the Army, but my time was all in SF.
A Marine Sgt Maj cannot be compared with an Army SGM. The Marines divide our E-9s into two seperate ranks; Sergeant Major and Master Gunnery Sergeant. Sergeant Majors are specialists in leadership, enlisted mentoring, and administration and they serve as a commander's senior enlisted advisor. Their position is more akin to an Army Command Sergeant Major. A Master Gunnery Sergeant serves as a technical specialist in his original occupational field, much like a non-CSM Army sergeant major. A Master Gunnery Sergeant could be (MOS-dependent) a G-6 chief, an infantry battalion operations chief, a squadron flight line chief, etc. While they have a career of influencing and leading both young Marines and young officers, their primary job is to be leaders in their technical field.
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What is considered "fast" and what is "normal" for promotion to SGM?
There is a chart floating in the internet that shows fast/normal/slow promotion rates, but I can't find it right now. Most all Sergeant Majors come from the ranks of First Sergeants, just as most all MGySgts come from the MSgt ranks. There are two separate E-8 promotion boards at Quantico each year, one for 1stSgts and one for MSgts. When Marines are GySgts (E-7s) their leadership can recommend they be considered for either 1stSgt or MSgt, but almost all E-7s are looked at for both. Ideally, GySgts are considered for promotion to 1stSgt by the 1st Sgt board the year before they are considered for promotion to MSgt. Theoretically, this is so all Marines have the opportunity to be considered for both positions, but many in the technical fields (MGySgts and MSgts) accuse the SgtMaj community of culling the best for promotion to 1stSgt. I was considered and not selected for 1stSgt the year before I was promoted to MSgt, but I was not selected for 1stSgt because I never checked any of the blocks that promotion board wants to see such as Company Gunny (assistant/bitch for the 1stSgt), Drill Instructor, Recruiter, etc. Because of thie system, GySgts that are not selected for promotion to 1stSgt are not considered "passed over" for retention purposes.

All of the above is to say that when a Marine could be promoted to SgtMaj can depend a lot on their original MOS. If you are from a fast promoting MOS such as intelligence, and you pick up GySgt at 12 years, you could easily be a 15-year 1stSgt and an 18-year SgtMaj. If on the other hand you come from a slow promoting MOS such as fuels, it could take forever before you are promoted to GySgt, thereby impacting your promotion time to 1stSgt/MSgt and SgtMaj/MGySgt.
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Do Marine SGMs (I know should be SGsM) have a special MOS code like the Army has Z for 8's and 9's?
The MOS for 1stSgts and SgtMajs is 8999, but as SB pointed out, they can go ANYWHERE in their billet and are not dependent on their MOS to drive their future orders. You can easily end up with a former aviation MOS SgtMaj being at an infantry battalion and vice-versa. It can be an ugly situation.
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I had Air Force, Navy and Marine classmates in my Sergeants Major Academy Class at Ft Bliss - but very few. Do the Marines have their own SGsM Academy or is it combined with the Navy?
During my time as a SNCO (95-09), MGySgts and SgtMajs attended a coastal-based, week-long "E9 seminar", but it was more a BS session than anything of value, at least as was related to me.
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Just wondering this morning.
Good questions. I retired as a MSgt in 2009, so my information may be dated, but I can help within my limited scope of knowledge.
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The Camp Pendleton newspaper(forgot the name, scout?), had an article about a sgt. major making it in 16 years, had a recon background. This was the 90's. Still remember it cause i always thought it take 20 plus years to make E-9.
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The Camp Pendleton newspaper(forgot the name, scout?), had an article about a sgt. major making it in 16 years, had a recon background. This was the 90's. Still remember it cause i always thought it take 20 plus years to make E-9.
That would be Thresher. He and I were DI's together in A Co 1st Bn, MCRDSD. Solid dude. He was just slated to be the II MEF SgtMaj in June 2017.
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Sgt Maj Pulley would have made a fine Sgt Maj of the Marine Corps
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