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Old 4 January 2017, 14:45
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100rds of jumps in those to.
He didn't mean a -1C....LMAO
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Old 4 January 2017, 16:03
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He didn't mean a -1C....LMAO
There is a MC1-1C now?
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Old 4 January 2017, 17:11
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Used to be a - 1B and later a C. I don't think they are in use anymore though?
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Old 5 January 2017, 07:56
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Jumped the MC1-1B...never the C. Fucking sky Gods....
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Old 5 January 2017, 17:35
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Used to be a - 1B and later a C. I don't think they are in use anymore though?
-1C had the lopo fabric. Other than that I don't recall there was much difference between the -1B and -1C

I think there was also a T10C for those who still enjoy the 1RiserSlip (and back on topic).
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Old 5 January 2017, 17:40
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-1C had the lopo fabric. Other than that I don't recall there was much difference between the -1B and -1C

I think there was also a T10C for those who still enjoy the 1RiserSlip (and back on topic).
The -1C had a lower rate of descent then the T-10 or the -1B

I never used a T-10 after leaving Benning
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Old 5 January 2017, 17:51
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The -1C had a lower rate of descent then the T-10 or the -1B

I never used a T-10 after leaving Benning
Roger. The low porosity fabric gave you a few less feet per second of descent. I think they used that same fabric in the T10 to get the C model. I didn't jump many T-10s after the first few years and not at all in the last 5 or so years before I retired.

I did get to jump the -1C a few times. Lopo fabric or not, marginal winds on the DZ still = hard ass landing.

Second of the three great lies - winds on the DZ are 3-5 knots.
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Old 5 January 2017, 17:53
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Second of the three great lies - winds on the DZ are 3-5 knots.
Yeah because the DZSO was holding the wind meter down next to the HUMVEE
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Wasn't there a big B, and a little b? Or big C Little c version of the MC-1? I remember the low porosity chute was great at high altitudes. Hahaha, even greater at sea level. Being a little fuck, especially Hollywood, I would stay up forever in the low porosity at sea level or so.
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Old 6 January 2017, 08:53
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I think it was 1990 when we tried jumping the Charlies (I dont remember if it was the T-10 or the -1) from a C-5. Didnt work out very well. Opening shock was like a car wreck, lots of blown panels, and lots of controlled reserve activations. We didn't do that anymore.
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I don't think a C-5 can get slow enough!
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I don't think a C-5 can get slow enough!


That was brought up. We were told that the A/C would essentially be losing altitude constantly while we were jumping in order to get slow enough for us to jump. I think we were supposed to be at around 120 knots. But considering the damage we did to the chutes across the board I suspect we were still going too fast.
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I don't think a C-5 can get slow enough!
Jumped a C-5 using a T-10 at White Sands. Aircraft speed and DZ being higher altitude led to a pretty unpleasant opening shock. Not quite at H-SO level, but still enough to get my attention...
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Old 6 January 2017, 10:34
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I would imagine the Engine Thrust signature would be immense and contribute to opening shock.
C-130's and 141's only for me.
I think we mainly jumped T10's back then, the MC-1's led to more injuries if not used right. But that was a long time ago. Probably some cool stuff out there now but I wonder if the per jump injury rate has come down?
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I think it was 1990 when we tried jumping the Charlies (I dont remember if it was the T-10 or the -1) from a C-5. Didnt work out very well. Opening shock was like a car wreck, lots of blown panels, and lots of controlled reserve activations. We didn't do that anymore.
There ended up being a modification done to the -1Cs to slow the opening shock and the blowing out of panels.

We modified all of ours in 1992, I'm pretty sure.
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C-17 Personnel drop speed is 130 both static from the troop doors, and AFF from the ramp.
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Old 6 January 2017, 15:51
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Jumped a C-5 using a T-10 at White Sands. Aircraft speed and DZ being higher altitude led to a pretty unpleasant opening shock. Not quite at H-SO level, but still enough to get my attention...
Jumping a C-5 is like jumping from a flying barn. I remember it being a little surreal, getting rigged in the front of the plane while watching another stick jumping.
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Old 6 January 2017, 23:18
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Never jumped a C5 but jumped a 141 that was going way to fast for a -1B. Three of us got out of the door before the JM stopped the stick.

I had a blown gore and the other two had broke suspension lines and as we were all falling at the same speed, no one pulled their reserve. Messed up my back on opening shock and landing.
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Old 6 January 2017, 23:55
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Say what you want, I liked the old T10. I got real good at steering that nylon. The -1 you could really only turn in circles. I jumped Mtn RGR Camp DZ's 4 years. Never went in the woods and volunteered for wind dummy all the time. Normal PF procedures don't exactly play out up there in Dahlonega.

I did jump the MC-1 & MT1-XX plenty.

As far as aircraft drop speed goes, the faster the air drop speed the higher chance of blowing a gore.

On combat jumps they max out the speed the chute can take. Mostly because it's a lower level jump which makes the chute open quicker.
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Old 6 January 2017, 23:58
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I did jump a T10 once. Everything was good. Rate of decent, etc. I started getting a little complacent at that point in my career. Got on the ground, looked at my chute as I was packing it up. Had a hole in a panel I could walk through. Guess I skipped that check canopy part.
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