Go Back   SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network > U.S. Naval Special Warfare > Navy SEALs

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 1 August 2008, 18:56
L1E0D8ET L1E0D8ET is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: A Whales Vagina
Posts: 22
Thumbs up Coast Guard SEAL Operators

Nope, I am not BSing you. Pardon the intrusion, just seemed pertinent to post.

http://www.uscg.mil/announcements/al...COAST36708.txt

ALCOAST 367/08
COMDTNOTE 1000
SUBJ: ASSIGNMENT OF COAST GUARD PERSONNEL TO TRAIN AND SERVE WITH
U.S. NAVY NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE (SEALS)
1. I AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE I RECENTLY SIGNED A MEMORANDUM OF
UNDERSTANDING (MOU) WITH THE U.S. NAVY AND THE U.S. SPECIAL
OPERATIONS COMMAND THAT WILL ALLOW COAST GUARD PERSONNEL TO TRAIN
AND SERVE IN THE U.S. NAVY NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE COMMUNITY,
SPECIFICALLY AS U.S. NAVY SEALS. THIS MOU IS THE CULMINATION OF A
PROCESS STARTED IN JULY 2007 AND WILL ALLOW SELECTED COAST GUARD
PERSONNEL TO BE ASSIGNED TO TRAINING AND DUTY AS A NAVY SEAL TO
SUPPLEMENT U.S. NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE FORCES. IN ADDITION TO
PROVIDING CAPABILITY TO THE NAVY AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND,
THIS PROGRAM WILL PROVIDE COAST GUARD PERSONNEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO
GAIN EXPERIENCE IN THE PLANNING, TRAINING AND EXECUTION OF SPECIAL
OPERATIONS.
2. BACKGROUND. THE COAST GUARD HAS A PROUD AND DISTINGUISHED
HISTORY AS AN ARMED SERVICE. THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
NAVY SEAL PROGRAM MARKS ANOTHER CHAPTER IN THE COAST GUARDS HISTORY
OF SUPPORTING OUR SISTER SERVICES IN MEETING THE CHALLENGES FACING
OUR NATION AND PROVIDES ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO OPERATIONALIZE THE
NATIONS MARITIME STRATEGY. SINCE 9/11, OUR SAFETY AND SECURITY
MISSIONS HAVE GROWN CONSIDERABLY, AND WE MUST CONTINUE TO LEARN AND
INCREASE OUR SPECIALTY KNOWLEDGE BY PROVIDING OUR PERSONNEL WITH
THE REQUISITE SKILLS. THIS NEW PROGRAM PROVIDES AN OUTSTANDING
OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR SERVICE MEMBERS TO GAIN VALUABLE SKILLS AND
KNOWLEDGE TO SUPPORT DOD AND INCREASE THE COAST GUARDS CAPABILITIES
IN OUR PORTS, WATERWAYS AND COASTAL SECURITY (PWCS) MISSION,
SPECIFICALLY COUNTER-TERRORISM AND ANTI-TERRORISM OPERATIONS.
3. PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION AND ELIGIBILITY STANDARDS. THE DEPLOYABLE
OPERATIONS GROUP (DOG), IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COAST GUARD
PERSONNEL COMMAND AND NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE COMMAND WILL
ADMINISTER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROGRAM. THIS PROGRAM IS OPEN
TO ALL MALE PERSONNEL BELOW THE AGE OF 29 WHO MEET THE RIGOROUS
ELIGIBILITY STANDARDS REQUIRED TO ENTER SEAL TRAINING. A
SOLICITATION MESSAGE DETAILING SPECIFIC PROGRAM ELIGIBILITY
REQUIREMENTS AND THE APPLICATION/SCREENING PROCESS IS FORTHCOMING.
4. SEAL TRAINING AND OPERATIONAL TOUR. THE SEAL TRAINING PROGRAM
INCLUDES BASIC UNDERWATER DEMOLITIONS/SEAL AND SEAL QUALIFICATION
TRAINING THAT WILL LAST 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS. UPON TRAINING
COMPLETION, SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATES WILL BE DESIGNATED AS A SEAL AND
ASSIGNED TO A SEAL TEAM. PERSONNEL WHO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE SEAL
TRAINING CAN EXPECT TO BE ASSIGNED TO NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE FOR A
TOTAL OF FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THREE TO FIVE
OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENTS.
5. THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COAST GUARD AND ITS
PERSONNEL. I ENCOURAGE ALL ELIGIBLE PERSONNEL TO CONSIDER THIS
PROGRAM.
6. ADMIRAL THAD ALLEN, COMMANDANT, SENDS.
7. INTERNET RELEASE AUTHORIZED.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:02
Frog's Avatar
Frog Frog is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 5,408
It's all good. We have been working together for years.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:12
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1E0D8ET View Post
4. SEAL TRAINING AND OPERATIONAL TOUR. THE SEAL TRAINING PROGRAM
INCLUDES BASIC UNDERWATER DEMOLITIONS/SEAL AND SEAL QUALIFICATION
TRAINING
THAT WILL LAST 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS. UPON TRAINING
COMPLETION, SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATES WILL BE DESIGNATED AS A SEAL AND
ASSIGNED TO A SEAL TEAM. PERSONNEL WHO SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE SEAL
TRAINING CAN EXPECT TO BE ASSIGNED TO NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE FOR A
TOTAL OF FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE THREE TO FIVE
OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENTS.
:

Working with and this are two completely differnt things.


I fail to see what mission the USCG would possibly fall under were they would need or require this kind of training.

I'm assuming this also means that you can apply for BUD/S directly from the USCG rather than from the Navy?


If this is indeed true, (I have serous doubts) then this is a finacial and command numbers move that will only benifit the upper echolon.


Nothing like diluting something special to have NSW build more admirals in the ranks.

Utter bullshit.
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:23
L1E0D8ET L1E0D8ET is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: A Whales Vagina
Posts: 22
I do not see an E-3 coming out of basic training being eligible for this program. I am almost positive that this will be a program that the Deployable Operations Group (DOG) will be running, as suggested in the ALCOAST and that qualified applicants will be folks who are E-4 and above, having served or currently serving at an MSRT, MSST, or TACLET as an operator.

Speculation and educated guesses on my part. I left the program in 2006.

Stay safe.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:29
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1E0D8ET View Post
I do not see an E-3 coming out of basic training being eligible for this program. I am almost positive that this will be a program that the Deployable Operations Group (DOG) will be running, as suggested in the ALCOAST and that qualified applicants will be folks who are E-4 and above, having served or currently serving at an MSRT, MSST, or TACLET as an operator.

Speculation and educated guesses on my part. I left the program in 2006.

Stay safe.


The USCG mission isn't even close to the NSW mission.

Shipboarding is only one aspect of the many SEALs perform. There is no reason for a coastie to attend courses on land warfare, UC, ship attacks, etc..etc..etc...


What is your source?
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:36
L1E0D8ET L1E0D8ET is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: A Whales Vagina
Posts: 22
PM inbound.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:43
CLEARED HOT's Avatar
CLEARED HOT CLEARED HOT is offline
The Copenhagen Kid
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: The Next War
Posts: 2,548
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1E0D8ET View Post
......... as an operator.

The fact that this word is used so loosely these days pisses me off to no end. I can't wait to see this actually put into effect. I imagine if you make it all the way through BUD/S the Nav will snatch you up and you will no longer be a Coastie.
__________________
You'll ride a black tornado across the western sky.

Go get your motherfuckin' shine box.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:44
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1E0D8ET View Post
PM inbound.
Doesn't tell me anything.


If this is true, I'm certain there will be other sources of infomation about this.


WHy in the fuck would a coastie need to know how to set up a demo ambush or any of the other job skills in the NSW profile?


This makes no sence.
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:47
iraqgunz's Avatar
iraqgunz iraqgunz is offline
Overseas Gunplumber
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Warm and sunny Arizona
Posts: 5,741
Personally I am glad to see that the Coast Guard is getting into the 21st century and I think that the CG will benefit from this agreement.
__________________
"The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

"Change....one magazine at a time."

I have been to some armorer courses.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 1 August 2008, 19:52
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraqgunz View Post
Personally I am glad to see that the Coast Guard is getting into the 21st century and I think that the CG will benefit from this agreement.
How exactly do you figure?


Do you really think the USCG had a need for training guys to blow shit up and kill bad guys?


How does this fit into their mission parameters?


This is stupid beyond words.
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:00
iraqgunz's Avatar
iraqgunz iraqgunz is offline
Overseas Gunplumber
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Warm and sunny Arizona
Posts: 5,741
Matchanu,

Admittedly I have been away from the CG for 3 years now. I know there have been alot of changes and additions with units like the MSST's, MSRT's, and TACLET's. The PSU's could probably benefit from the training as well. I don't know what the powers that be are planning, but tactical training in the CG for the average Coastie is non-existent. Hell up until couple of years ago thigh holsters weren't authorized to be worn.
__________________
"The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

"Change....one magazine at a time."

I have been to some armorer courses.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:06
L1E0D8ET L1E0D8ET is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: A Whales Vagina
Posts: 22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agSaTttT7oQ

Last edited by L1E0D8ET; 1 August 2008 at 20:16.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:13
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1E0D8ET View Post
Reflections of Vietnam?
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:15
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by iraqgunz View Post
Matchanu,

Admittedly I have been away from the CG for 3 years now. I know there have been alot of changes and additions with units like the MSST's, MSRT's, and TACLET's. The PSU's could probably benefit from the training as well. I don't know what the powers that be are planning, but tactical training in the CG for the average Coastie is non-existent. Hell up until couple of years ago thigh holsters weren't authorized to be worn.


Coasties having VBSS and HVBSS training makes perfect sence to me.


Coasties performing raids in bad guy land, or even NSW wasting time, money, and resources to train coasties to do this does not.


You may as well train them to drive tanks or lauch ICBMs.
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:20
CLEARED HOT's Avatar
CLEARED HOT CLEARED HOT is offline
The Copenhagen Kid
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: The Next War
Posts: 2,548
IMO some Coastie comes to BUD/S, SQT, etc, etc and makes it and is attached to the Teams for 5 to 7 years........? Good luck getting him to go back to the CG.
__________________
You'll ride a black tornado across the western sky.

Go get your motherfuckin' shine box.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:26
JDAM
Visitor
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by CLEARED HOT View Post
IMO some Coastie comes to BUD/S, SQT, etc, etc and makes it and is attached to the Teams for 5 to 7 years........? Good luck getting him to go back to the CG.
I agree. More than likely, if a candidate passes all qualifications and is accepted into the Teams...an inter-service transfer will be done and they will become USN.

This program is probably designed to allow CG members to apply and if selected/qualified, etc...transfer to the Navy, helping to increase the reach of NSWC recruiting and selection. However, if this is the case, why not let Marines apply as well? It's all DON anyway...
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:30
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDAM View Post
I agree. More than likely, if a candidate passes all qualifications and is accepted into the Teams...an inter-service transfer will be done and they will become USN.

This program is probably designed to allow CG members to apply and if selected/qualified, etc...transfer to the Navy, helping to increase the reach of NSWC recruiting and selection. However, if this is the case, why not let Marines apply as well? It's all DON anyway...

Or any other branch for that matter.


Jury is out on this, I still don't think this is legit.
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:38
L1E0D8ET L1E0D8ET is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: A Whales Vagina
Posts: 22
The (official) reason why. Plain and simple.

http://www.navy.mil/maritime/
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:52
Matchanu's Avatar
Matchanu Matchanu is offline
Creepy ass cracka
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Isle of misfit toys
Posts: 12,578
Quote:
Originally Posted by L1E0D8ET View Post
The (official) reason why. Plain and simple.

http://www.navy.mil/maritime/

??????


Perhaps you should cut and paste something as nothing you just posted seems to apply to the conversation.
__________________
O pointy birds, o pointy pointy,
Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 1 August 2008, 20:53
Sharky's Avatar
Sharky Sharky is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: SOCNET
Posts: 17,242
I'm with Matchanu. Dumb. If they make it through selection and training then make them Navy guys. To send them back to the USCG would be dumb.


As far as the term "Operator" goes, IMO, if you didn't make it through selection for one of the Tier-1 JSOC units, you're not an Operator. Period. Not SF, Not SEALs, Not Rangers, Not SOAR, Not CCT, Not PJ's. Just because you had some tactical training and got some cool guy kit doesn't make you an Operator either. That term is reserved for the guys in the Tier-1 SOF units who paid the price to earn it.

That's my opinion.

If you want to be an Operator, head on over to Ft. Bragg or Dam Neck and take the walk.
__________________
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate
I am the captain of my soul.
-Invictus
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Our new posting rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 18:08.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Socnet.com All Rights Reserved
SOCNET