Go Back   SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network > U.S. Army Special Operations > Special Forces

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 31 May 2018, 20:59
Bushman23 Bushman23 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 8
Guard Enlisted SF to NG 18A

Haven't been able to find any good information about this both from searching on here and asking around at work. Has anyone here talked to someone who was enlisted SF and gone through the process of commissioning in the NG and going 18A? There seem to be varying opinions about how this would work and what portions of the SFQC would need to be re-attended.

V/r
Bushman
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 31 May 2018, 22:06
gavin's Avatar
gavin gavin is offline
Unemployed Stunt Double
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: PNW
Posts: 6,483
I know several folks that did so, it’s not hard. Just have to find a place to chill out between commissioning and becoming eligible to apply for 18A. Commissioning can be a slow process in the Guard.

As far as what portions of the Q you’d have to attend, that changes every few years.
__________________
Life’s barely long enough to get good at one thing. So be careful what you get good at.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 31 May 2018, 23:17
Hot Mess's Avatar
Hot Mess Hot Mess is offline
In Vino Veritas
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Where you vacation
Posts: 10,939
SWC changes with the wind. I went through the Q with a former 18B who went 18A. He had to do language (Group choice), MOS, and Sage.

As for commissioning in the NG I have no idea but good luck.
__________________
Come on boys, you got to do it right, pray to the moon in the middle of the night
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 1 June 2018, 00:45
wildman43's Avatar
wildman43 wildman43 is offline
Confirmed User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: california
Posts: 1,597
commissioning in the NG some states run there own OCS program or you can request active duty OCS.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 1 June 2018, 01:03
gavin's Avatar
gavin gavin is offline
Unemployed Stunt Double
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: PNW
Posts: 6,483
The CAANG used to do a year-long OCS program (one weekend a month). Probably also worth looking into if any states are still doing direct commissioning.
__________________
Life’s barely long enough to get good at one thing. So be careful what you get good at.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 1 June 2018, 14:03
wildman43's Avatar
wildman43 wildman43 is offline
Confirmed User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: california
Posts: 1,597
Quote:
Originally Posted by gavin View Post
The CAANG used to do a year-long OCS program (one weekend a month). Probably also worth looking into if any states are still doing direct commissioning.
YES CAANG still does the OCS program also direct commissioning
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 1 June 2018, 17:15
Silverbullet's Avatar
Silverbullet Silverbullet is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bunker
Posts: 14,694
Wildman, stay out of the SF area.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 1 June 2018, 17:24
SN's Avatar
SN SN is offline
Old and Broke
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: The GREAT State of Texas
Posts: 4,710
Could you go Warrant?
__________________
FISHDO
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 1 June 2018, 17:34
gavin's Avatar
gavin gavin is offline
Unemployed Stunt Double
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: PNW
Posts: 6,483
He is already SF qual'd.

If he wants to get commissioned, that is easy, but it can be a somewhat drawn-out process, all on the NG side. From the USAJFKSWC side, it's simple, standards are standards, and there is no difference between NG and AD.

First step, apply for commissioning with the NG. Once commissioned, spend the required time serving somewhere, until eligible to apply for 18A. Many prior enlisted SF guys want to hang out at the SF units once they are commissioned, waiting until they are eligible to apply for 18A. There are upsides and downsides to that, but mostly downsides.
__________________
Life’s barely long enough to get good at one thing. So be careful what you get good at.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 1 June 2018, 20:21
ExSquid ExSquid is offline
Confirmed User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: CONUS
Posts: 362
Why would you want to do that? 180A is a way better career path in the Guard than 18A. No time away from the community and way more time on a Team.

x/S
__________________
"Rule # 76; no excuses, play like a champion."
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 1 June 2018, 23:42
wildman43's Avatar
wildman43 wildman43 is offline
Confirmed User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: california
Posts: 1,597
Smile

Never piss of Silverbullet
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 1 June 2018, 23:54
Bushman23 Bushman23 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by gavin View Post
I know several folks that did so, it’s not hard. Just have to find a place to chill out between commissioning and becoming eligible to apply for 18A. Commissioning can be a slow process in the Guard.

As far as what portions of the Q you’d have to attend, that changes every few years.
Thanks for the responses. Everything you have said is pretty much the general consensus. The whole process seems pretty unpredictable.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 2 June 2018, 00:11
gavin's Avatar
gavin gavin is offline
Unemployed Stunt Double
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: PNW
Posts: 6,483
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushman23 View Post
Thanks for the responses. Everything you have said is pretty much the general consensus. The whole process seems pretty unpredictable.
The most unpredictable part is getting commissioned in the NG. Not all states do that the same way. Your best COA, IMO, is to identify where you want to live, state-wise. Then start researching how that state and the states within commuting distance conduct their commissioning process. Pick the easiest state to get commissioned in that is within commuting distance of where you want to live. You can always do an interstate transfer later.

We have a battalion CSM from 19th Group on here...he might be able to push you to a good POC in certain states, as 19th is spread across several states on both coasts and in between. I'll ping him to check this thread.
__________________
Life’s barely long enough to get good at one thing. So be careful what you get good at.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 2 June 2018, 16:41
Bushman23 Bushman23 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 8
That would be awesome. I think MD, WV, VA, and NC are all reasonable given that I am in the DC Metro area. I'll look into who has the easiest process.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 2 June 2018, 17:51
18C4V's Avatar
18C4V 18C4V is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: California
Posts: 2,591
Bushman,
I'm the guy that Gavin is talking about, but he's spot on with his advice.

My former 18E/F just went to OCS in CA and got commissioned as a MI officer. The OCS process I think took two years since he went the traditional route vs the AD route. I offered him a job as a MI Officer in my SF BN but factor in the expenses as a commuter, it was just too much for him.

So going SF vs serving in SF has both pros/cons based upon what's best for you and your family.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 3 June 2018, 06:27
Hot Mess's Avatar
Hot Mess Hot Mess is offline
In Vino Veritas
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Where you vacation
Posts: 10,939
Quote:
Originally Posted by 18C4V View Post
Bushman,
I'm the guy that Gavin is talking about, but he's spot on with his advice.

My former 18E/F just went to OCS in CA and got commissioned as a MI officer. The OCS process I think took two years since he went the traditional route vs the AD route. I offered him a job as a MI Officer in my SF BN but factor in the expenses as a commuter, it was just too much for him.

So going SF vs serving in SF has both pros/cons based upon what's best for you and your family.
Tell him congrats. I thought he was done with the NG.
__________________
Come on boys, you got to do it right, pray to the moon in the middle of the night
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 3 June 2018, 06:29
Hot Mess's Avatar
Hot Mess Hot Mess is offline
In Vino Veritas
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Where you vacation
Posts: 10,939
Is it possible to commission in the reserves? Then maybe your work has a reserve component you can hangout in until your eligible to apply as an 18A?
__________________
Come on boys, you got to do it right, pray to the moon in the middle of the night
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 3 June 2018, 09:18
The Fat Guy's Avatar
The Fat Guy The Fat Guy is offline
The Sagacious One
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pushing string down the hall
Posts: 13,638
Going to OCS and receiving a basic branch assignment may change your carer path totally. If you go MI, MI may not let you rebranch to SF.

Needs of the service and shit, at least that's what I read on the Internet.
__________________
No one will take better care of us, than us: Suicide Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 3 June 2018, 14:25
18C4V's Avatar
18C4V 18C4V is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: California
Posts: 2,591
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Mess View Post
Is it possible to commission in the reserves? Then maybe your work has a reserve component you can hangout in until your eligible to apply as an 18A?
Yes, it's possible but there's a highly likely hood that the reserves will frown upon a transfer to the guard which segue into's TFG post.

Think about how many Reserve Officers came to our tryouts vs NG Officers (regardless of branch).

I would highly recommend doing the guard vs the reserve route based upon the metrics of how many guard officers go SF or serve in SF units.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 3 June 2018, 15:37
hawkdrver's Avatar
hawkdrver hawkdrver is offline
Red Headed Stepchild
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North
Posts: 1,827
Way out of my lane, hopefully not too much of a derail: The ANG used to have their own OTS (called AMS), but it merged with AD OTS several years ago. As far I'm aware, the ANG has never had the option to run an OTS at the state level.

Just wondering if your state OCS program is like what ANG calls "secondary method" for aircrew schools - qual courses could be done at the home unit, but required a waiver from NGB and was only done if the individual could not attend the formal school due to lack of slots, or other extenuating circumstances. Similar?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Our new posting rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 20:21.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Socnet.com All Rights Reserved
SOCNET