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View Poll Results: What % of Friends/Family are Fully Prepared for Global Disaster (3-18 Month Survival)
Less than 1% 83 44.86%
1-10% 64 34.59%
10-20% 19 10.27%
20-30% 10 5.41%
Greater than 30% 9 4.86%
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Old 10 October 2009, 00:08
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1. Less than 1%

2. I live in a small condo with enough water and soup to last about 3 weeks. Very little ammo.

After listening to Beck for the last 2 years, and now reading this thread, I'm about to make some changes. There really isn't any reason not to be prepared. It's silly not to be. I've spent the evening making lists and discussing the possibilities with my husband. Unfortunately, in this home, I'm the one who has to take action (do all of the planning, leg work, etc). He's really good at saying, "yeah, that's a good idea," but is unmotivated to actually do anything.

I live in the city, but if things start to go bad I have a relative that lives in a more rural area where we can stay.

Others are worse off than I am.

3. Don't believe it.

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Old 10 October 2009, 01:06
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I forgot the four points Kirk asked for, so here I go.

1. 20-30% (This only counts my friends, and only have hopes that three of them will be of any use.) This is also factoring in the shelter, food and resources my friend's farm would be able to provide.

2. I'd say I'm the best prepared. Most things are for camping and what not, but many items lend themselves well to a survival situation. I have the most kit, another has a large amount of canned and dry food that can supplement my supply well. While they are lacking in equipment, it's not a serious problem and they are all IMO, tough, stubborn and resourceful.

3. There is no way in hell the 40% statistic would work in Canada, period. With the sole exception of the trusted friends, everyone else I asked is either unmotivated, believe nothing bad will ever happen in Canada, or think the government will save them and can sit on their asses waiting for help.

I asked two of my friends, they agree.

4. I have asked the disaster question/situation before to quite a few friends and family members. In all, I'd say it's about two dozen people in total.
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Old 10 October 2009, 01:54
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C'mon...aren't you all lumberjacks up there, livin' in log cabins, and eating moose and elk? Makin' pemmican in the back yard and whatnot? Ya can't fool me, Fofo! Damn Canucks!
(Disclaimer: Yes, this was my effort at being funny. Throwing stereotypes out there and whatnot. After all, I live in Texas...we'll all be ok here, because we can just ride our horses to Mexico...we're all cowboys, after all, right?)
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Old 10 October 2009, 03:01
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This has turned out some very interesting commentary. Please keep it going folks. This is sincerely appreciated.
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Old 10 October 2009, 03:09
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Great thread….

I voted in the 20-30% range, but due to upbringing, and continued interest, my family and friends (approx. 15) would probably not be the best case subjects for your study.

We/I would venture to bet, as you say, that the percentage IS much lower.

Now, I consider myself to be fairly well adjusted, “safely” paranoid, educated (HS, some college), informed, and not easily influenced, but I gotta say… Having just finished a DHS Course myself, has definitely done wonders to re-enforce the fact that “when the lights go out”, were pretty much on our own…. And it ain’t gonna be pretty.

Thus re-enforcing my efforts of the past 30 years to… Be Prepared.

Growing up (as many of us did) with Depression Era parents wasn’t easy, but it did give us one thing that many now don’t have… Respect for what you have.

Living then when no one had any money, the name of the game was maintaining and protecting what you had, as replacing or buying what you needed just wasn’t an option.

Living in today’s “throwaway” world simply means running down to the corner store to get what you need.
There’s no respect for taking care of what you have these days.

Back in the old days you learned how to grow your own vegetables, and “can” those vegetables, to be stored for leaner times.
You learned how to make your own clothes, or at the least, how to do basic sewing enough to fix them.
Take care of, and repair yourself what breaks. Farm Equip., cars, homes, etc.

Was lucky to have a mom that pushed me thru the Boy Scouts, all the way to Eagle Scout. And while I resisted at pretty much every turn, I eventually began to learn about things. Survival skills interested me most.
Boy Scout Motto?? Yep, you guessed it…. Be Prepared.

Joining the military as a Medic, specifically a Navy Corpsman, gave me exposure to further survival training methods with the Marine Corps.

Continuing on after the military as an EMT and LEO gave me additional training and tools to develop my own plans of action.

To this day, while I consult on many subjects, the one thing I always preach, no matter your status in society, your job, your living condition, etc…. always, Be Prepared.

While I have obviously developed a “survival pattern” over the years, I don’t maintain a “survivalist’s fantasy”.
I have however managed to “stockpile”, in various places, certain necessities for long term needs. Upwards of 18-24 months.
Water
Food
Fuel(s)
Weapons/Ammo
Med Supplies
Hand Tools
Power Source(s) - Portable and Static (Solar, battery, wind)
Comms.

Pretty much in that order.

The basic premise of my survival plan…
Recover (Assess your situation)
Maintain (Establish base (living, storage, etc.)
Protect (You and Yours (family, supplies, etc.)
…then help others.

You’ll be of no help to others in the event of disaster, if you aren’t properly established yourself.

Again, I’m not the best case subject as I have had access over the years (like many on this website) to certain sources that make it easier for me to be as prepared as I am. Not everyone has access to such sources, but that doesn’t mean you can’t be prepared.
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Old 10 October 2009, 03:16
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Meh...I was a Boy Scout...never earned a lot of merit badges, but I did learn one lesson: Be Prepared. My wife thinks I'm crazy...most of my friends think I'm crazy. I make my wife accompany me to the range about every month or so, and make sure she's proficient with all my firearms. I drill responses to certain situations into her head. As I said, she thinks I'm crazy...I think most people are just sheep. If you prepare for the worst, that means you are acknowledging the possibility of bad things happening...It's much easier if you don't think about it. That's the impression I get from my wife. She'd rather just not think about it.
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Old 10 October 2009, 03:38
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Ya, my ole' lady says I'm "all the way crazy", but she has to admit that she is much more aware and prepared in the event of a disaster. Of course she followed that up with ... "if we weren't together". Hahahaha
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Old 10 October 2009, 08:44
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0% here in the United Socialist Republic of New Jersey.

Everyone pays lip service to it: "I know it's coming...I *know* I/We should be prepared..." But they are not. Nobody *really* believes, for some reason, that it can happen here...too bad. Doom on 'em.

I have a pistola, ammo, and about 2 months supply of Jack Daniels...And a 4x4.
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Old 10 October 2009, 08:49
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I voted 1-10%, mostly because I kow my few neighbors have the food, generators, weapons etc to tough it out. We lost power and were iced in for 17 days a few years back and did just fine.

We have a 8.5 kw generator, two tractors, a 200 gallon gas tank and the same for diesel, two 4x4 trucks and enough healthy horses and trailers to move away if need be. If memory serves me well, I remember seeing a .45 on the desk in my office and a few boxes of bullets (big boxes). I have about 40 gallons of potable water in jugs and in cases and a cistern that I can use to purify If I need more. My biggest deficiency is food, some canned goods, but my chickens are gone now, and the garden idea is dwindling, although we still have a lot of seeds. I have 14 horses, many of which I do not care for, my neighbor has cows. Mama is a nurse and we have livestock and human 1st aid kits and lots of cipro. Wire, cellhpone and satellite Internet service. CB sounds like a good idea. GPS' for over terrain movement as well as 1 per car plus a spare., but to be honest, I do not plan on leaving.

My go bag is hanging in my office.

My biggest fear for country folk is not their ability to survive, but their ability to decide when to repel boarders from the city. Many people in the City live there because they believe they deserve entitlements (I know B5R, not all of them but enough to make a difference). They will come to the country in search of them if the disaster is bad enough. (We live near the New Madrid Fault). Most of my neighbors would take in as many people as they could (Provided they mind their P and Q's) but at some point, you would have to deny people refuge. I encourage them to decide what that number is and the lengths they will go to to repell newcomers.

40% is bullshit, like CMR said, too many people are clueless and expect the government to provide, IMHO.

We talk about this / people ask me all the time what they should be ready for and I always say, prepare to shelter in place for 2-3 days, long enough to re-assess your situation and then move out if need be or regroup and defend in place.
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Old 10 October 2009, 09:06
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Old 10 October 2009, 09:11
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Old 10 October 2009, 10:22
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I voted less than 1%.
My friends and family consider me a alarmist.Because i keep a good stockpile of ammo.
I live in a rural area so game is around.I heat with oil and wood so heat and cooking would not be a problem.Still need to get a lot of stuff but i believe i would do ok.

My only problems are only a mile from a major road and stores.Would have to defend from looters.Should have got a diesel truck as gas will not store as long and will run out long before diesel.Plus one could use heating oil to run their vehicle.
Even though i live that close i have a range in my yard and never had a problem.
My neighbors all hunt and are well armed.After i read the book Patriots i started to give this topic some thought.
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Old 10 October 2009, 11:00
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Forgot to add:
I was trained as a CLS and have some medical books.Just need a good aid bag.
Standardized my ammo to 5.56,308,7.62x39.Handguns 9MM and .45 with some magnums thrown in.My 2 odd balls are a FN 5.7and a 7.62x54 PSL.
I figure ammo and pistols would be good for barter.
Hopefully this scenario would be during winter.As snow would be a ready water supply.And the roads would be impassable to restrict refugees from the flatlands.And to restrict movement of looters.
Just started to read my Foxfire books again.Great thread.
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Old 10 October 2009, 11:53
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I really find this threat interesting and wanted to add some other points to my posts.

- Nearly everyone I have spoken to about the possibility of a disaster believes it could not possibly happen. To make things worse, and what I see as arrogant and foolish - they believe it can only happen in the United States. Furthermore, they believe there is no possibility of Canadians running amok if law and order broke-down. One thinks we'd sit around and sing kumbaya, a couple more believe we'd all be cooperative.

Right. Okay.

I would enjoy making them eat their words if we survived the initial stages of a disaster.

- One problem that myself and my trusted three friends have is with one of them. Unfortunately, he has a leg disability which precludes him from being able to move any faster than about 4 MPH. He is the second best-prepared friend and the one who has the farm up north. It would tear me up if the disaster for one reason or another he was left behind or had to be for survival.

So, on one hand, he is of potentially great help, on the other, a burden since we could not move faster than the slowest person. (This is assuming for one reason or another we cannot find a working vehicle or the use of one is unsuitable.)

- I keep referring to his farm as salvation. It would seem the best hope, IMO for a place to set as an objective due to it's distance from any major city, the fact that the area is almost entirely rural and hopefully, competition for other's food would be minimal.

- I was taught basic(?)/combat first aid in the army earlier in the year. That, and had been taught CPR in the past outside the military. Hopefully I can remember it and not need to consult a first aid book while someone is bleeding out.

- Two things really need some fixing. First, I have to de-clutter my main first aid kit, perhaps get a bigger bag. Secondly, I need a working GMRS or FRS radio, the one I have now was kinda smashed against a rock.
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Old 10 October 2009, 12:28
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Excellent thread topic but depressing at the same time.
I voted in the 1-10 percent block. I live in Southeast Texas (suburb of Houston). I grew up with the spectre of a hurricane every summer/fall. I have personally been through two hurricanes in my lifetime (Alicia and Ike).
Luckily I inherited a good size gun collection when my father died: 12 gauge shotgun, 30-30, 30-06, and a .22. I need to secure ammo for all of them. Honestly, I need to do a thorough cleaning as well. On top of the inherited weapons, I have a .40 Sig, 410 shotgun and a 12 gauge pistol grip...oh and a Springfield XD-9.
We do a lot of hiking/camping with a local group so we have plenty of rucks/sleeping gear/boots, etc. Have a Garmin Rhino 120 and basic compass.
I'm working on the food stockpile. Six months ago I was buying a few items every grocery trip but I haven't in a while. I have two boxes of MREs and several MountainHouse meals. I have a camp stove and a jetboil with plenty of fuel.
My family did have land an hour north of my location that was my backup; however, since that time it was sold. I'm only 20 minutes out of Houston proper so I need to come up with a backup location ASAP.
Of course, I'm medical so I would be required to go into work if a disaster occurred. In which case, I'm screwed. Too bad because I have an awesome stock of IVs/med supplies/and some injectible meds.
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Old 10 October 2009, 12:45
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Unroasted coffee beans will keep for a long long time. Hand grinder and a simple home roaster on a fire and we can still be civilized.
I have a couple hundred lbs of green beans laying around at all times. That's my survival plan: trade awesome fresh roasted coffee for whatever I need. can you imagine, los angeles is burning, rioting spread across the us, but I'm slinging world class espresso from the rubble?

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Tobacco products brothers... Tobacco products... and chocolate.

I never used any tobacco products, but that never stopped me from stuffing as much as possible into my ruck for FTX. Those that have BTDT know why. After two weeks, and everyone's supply runs out... Those cans of chew were worth their weight in anything I needed.

I voted 1% as the question was how many friends and neighbors. I'm sure there are a few, as I live around large farms, but those farms consume a lot of energy for production too. Most have diesel generators, as I have, but if the trucks are not bringing it... I could switch back to burning wood, and live with plenty of trees around, but add all the other people that would need wood to me, and those would dwindle fast. Food? Plenty of small game, and deer, (and a buffalo farm nearby) but that supply would dwindle fast too. Once the amount of people that can are forced to start living off the woodlands supply... That supply would be run low very fast.

One thing I have noticed about all the houses and buildings from the 1800s is the low ceilings, and small (I mean REAL small) clothing, footwear, and rooms. Why were those folks so small? Because lack of supply in the food category, and lack of fuel in the heat category. It would be rough beyond imagination if everything power related went kaput. No fuel means no deliveries of food, no deliveries of power, nothing.

We may be prepared to enter the woods, and survive by killing game, and heat our new one room tee pees with a small fire, but how many of our wives would be willing and/or able to go back to beating laundry on a rock, or cooking every meal, cleaning wild game, or... dare I say... living without a source of Ice Cream and chocolate???!!!

You want to trade for stuff, hoard tobacco. You want chicks, hoard chocolate and Ice cream.
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I have a couple hundred lbs of green beans laying around at all times. That's my survival plan: trade awesome fresh roasted coffee for whatever I need. can you imagine, los angeles is burning, rioting spread across the us, but I'm slinging world class espresso from the rubble?

Ya know brother, once I get my hands on as many bags of Flour and sugar & Rice as I can - Coffee is next... Ground or Beans, dont matter! LOL.... If the world is going to end at least I wont die at the hands of my wife when she's forced to give up coffee
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Old 10 October 2009, 15:02
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Don't forget a couple other things people will *kill* you for, if necessary...even if not. Once they are without for a while it will get seriously ugly out there.

Maps and good looking women. You'll see both traded, stolen, whatever....Disaster always brings out the worst in people.
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Old 10 October 2009, 16:41
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Joeblow: I don't need no stinkin maps, I'll just google it on my iphone. Wait, there's no signal. Hold on...fucking at&t, I knew I shoulda got a Bold, verizon is so much better...:shrillvoice: you mean THERE'S NO CELL SERVICE AT ALL???

Re: good looking women, just keep a bunch of copies of playboy with marge on the cover. I think that thread clearly shows there will be no problems in that area.



Btw, in this doomsday scenario, where are all the inmates? Still locked up, or jailbroke? I see this as a MAJOR threat, predators with a penchant for damage in a situation of total chaos. Cali has some 60-80k of them. Better get ready to fight hard.

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