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Old 9 November 2018, 15:14
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Sitting in the VA clinic waiting for the Doc and looking at my blood test results. I specifically asked him to check T levels. Mine are at 257. Will see what he says, but that would explain a lot of my issues I think.
Holy shit. It's a health issue - have no doubt. More and more research showing adverse cardiac events due to low T. Disrupted sleep is a result too - look at all the adverse events related to poor sleep. Sarcopenia is a huge problem as we age, as well.

You are Hypogonadal, even according to the ridiculous, ever dropping, Labcorp range:

Male >18 y: 264-916
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Old 9 November 2018, 16:28
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The VA Doc wouldn't even discuss TRT. Said it's well within range. Guess I will be contacting your guy next week. I was going to avoid the cost but didn't work.
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Old 10 November 2018, 08:20
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The VA Doc wouldn't even discuss TRT. Said it's well within range. Guess I will be contacting your guy next week. I was going to avoid the cost but didn't work.
Good lord. I wonder what Lab they use? The range I posted above, was Labcorp's - you are clearly below (the 85 yo men's) range of 264.

If they use Quest Diagnostics, he's f'ing you over 7 points:

Quest Diagnostics: Male ≥18 Years 250-1100

And "treating the numbers" is a shitty way to practice medicine anyway.

Is VA healthcare the only thing you have? You could try escalating - "Doc, I'm not interested in sex as much, not shaving as much, tired all the time, I eat right and workout but just can't seem to lose fat/gain muscle, my sleep is horrible, I'm irriatable..." yadda, yadda.

But I can already tell this guy is a tosser.
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Old 10 November 2018, 09:40
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No, I have insurance through work but not sure they will pay for it. And I already told him all that when he asked why I specifically requested the T reading.
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Old 10 November 2018, 10:42
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VA range for normal is 168-781
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Old 10 November 2018, 12:48
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Doctor visit yesterday.

Blood results after 11 weeks of Cypionate 200MG (I split the shot @ 100MG every Mon and Thurs):

Free and total testosterone: 787 (264-916 range)
Prostrate-Specific Ag, Serum: .6 (0.0-4.0 range)
Estradiol, Sensitive: 64.1 (8.0-35.0 range)

She says right now lets do another 10 week @ 200MG and review blood results to determine if HCG is an option. She doubts it but doesn't rule it out completely.

Estradiol too high - I am now on Anastrozole 1MG tablets (take 1/2 with the Mon shot, 1/2 with the Thurs shot.)

All in all I knew the shots were working before I saw her!

One of the interesting things about the program is I get my blood tested every 3 mos. I lost a kidney in 2014 so she checks those kidney levels as well, but another thing she told me was a few mos back they caught Prostrate Cancer in one patient super early because of these blood tests.
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VA range for normal is 168-781
"normal."

Just had blood pulled for my VA-TRT now through Cleveland Clinic, pre-injection, I was at 209. Poly, why the hell are my levels so low the day before injecting? I'm at 200mg every 10 days, Doc will not give out Hgc Seems there should be a middle ground. I understand levels will fall..I'm going to get with a well-ness clinic in San Jose, I don't mind paying at this point.
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Old 10 November 2018, 18:35
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VA range for normal is 168-781
Pathetic - but I guess it wouldn't be the VA if they weren't f'ing over soldiers.
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"normal."

Just had blood pulled for my VA-TRT now through Cleveland Clinic, pre-injection, I was at 209. Poly, why the hell are my levels so low the day before injecting? I'm at 200mg every 10 days, Doc will not give out Hgc Seems there should be a middle ground. I understand levels will fall..I'm going to get with a well-ness clinic in San Jose, I don't mind paying at this point.
The half life of testosterone Cypionate is 5-7 days - a 10 day protocol is not ideal. I would recommend you ask to switch to 100mg every 3.5 days (Mon AM, Thur PM) - then redo Total T, Free T, SHBG, and E2 and go from there. In addition to the not ideal 10 day protocol, you could be a high aromatiser of Testosterone, or have very low SHBG and literally just piss it out. While 200mg is considered the high end for HRT - you can go higher if your specifics require it. You're swinging wildly - do you notice it?

Why on earth won't the doc Rx HCG? Ask how you're going to prevent Testicular Atrophy? Send an email to Crisler.

This is why paying an expert is worth it in the long run - "168 is normal", 10 day protocols, no HCG.... SMH
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What clinic you going to out this way?
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VA range for normal is 168-781
my last VA blood draw the testosterone level shows 230-793.
mine is at 235 and my doc said after 2 low checks then she can proceed.
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Old 12 November 2018, 16:22
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OK Question I have an appointment with my V.A Doctor next week, also I have an appoint with my private Doctor sometime soon.

What type of test should I ask for testosterone level (i.e. special wording )

Just to make sure I ask the right question an tell them this is what I would like. As I will give it to them in written.

I did that one time before an didn't get the correct test done.


I think I will take two copies of the questions an have them sign one copy that they received it


8 pages of reply's makes it hard to tell what is what sometime
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Old 13 November 2018, 08:46
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As far as just HRT, you want:

Testosterone, Free, Direct With Total Testosterone, LC/MS-MS Labcorp code: 070195

SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) Labcorp code: 082016

Estrodiol *Sensitive LC/MS-MS Test* <-That is the important one to specify. The Labcorp code is: 140244

I would add DHEA-S(ulfate) and if you've never had a Prostate Specific Antigen Test (PSA) I'd get that as well.

Add those to the general health (CBC/CMP) panel.

If your doc uses Quest Labs, you'll have to look up the codes yourself - I use Labcorp.
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