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Old 22 September 2016, 03:18
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India/Pakistan

I have been reading a bit about the latest tensions between the two. I know their war history, but am not up to date on current military and political standings. I guess my question is whether this has a significant potential to boil over into a shooting war.

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Old 22 September 2016, 07:41
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Kashmir

Kashmir has been a source of contention since the two countries split.

The verbal exchanges go up and down in intensity and back and forth continually.

I don't think either country wants a war but somebody could make a mistake and the dog fight would be on.
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Old 22 September 2016, 07:43
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Potential? Bombastic rhetoric and periodic shootings are the norm in Kashmir...they have managed to keep a lid on it for decades. But there is always the potential of turning into something MUCH bigger.
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Who has the most nukes?
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Who has the most nukes?
Between the two, India does, but Pakistan has plenty enough to vaporize enough of India to provide a reasonable deterrent.
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Between the two, India does, but Pakistan has plenty enough to vaporize enough of India to provide a reasonable deterrent.
Every time I think about Pakistan possessing nuclear weapons it's amazing to me all over again.
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Old 15 October 2016, 15:31
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It was heavily supported by China as a method of attacking India indirectly. S/F....Ken M
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I think the U.S. Govt has been really friendly with India lately . If India had a better handle on their human rights abuses... the relationship would be even friendlier.
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Not so sure India wants or needs the friendlier relations...
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I have been reading a bit about the latest tensions between the two. I know their war history, but am not up to date on current military and political standings. I guess my question is whether this has a significant potential to boil over into a shooting war.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/asia/i...ict/index.html
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The Russians sell a lot of stuff to them, lots of joint ventures.
I'd pick the Indians as the winner of the two.
But yes how many times do the border guards engage each other.....
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The Russians sell a lot of stuff to them, lots of joint ventures.
I'd pick the Indians as the winner of the two.
But yes how many times do the border guards engage each other.....


I agree. Pakistan can't or won't control the bad guys in their country now.
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Not so sure India wants or needs the friendlier relations...
I agree with this from the perspective that in general, India wants better relations with everyone, which means it won't tilt hard in any particular direction unless something dramatically changes in the region. That's one reason why their military gear is a mix of every major weapon producing nation. Buy and trade with everyone...

It's always been a complicated relationship depending upon the time/era and involves lots of players - us, Britain, France, Russia, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Israel, Japan, Afghanistan, Iran, UAE, Non-Aligned Movement, The British Commonwealth, WTO,...

Some history documented on a past thread here.
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India wants good relations with everyone so that they keep taking their people. They're doing the slow empire invasion strategy like the Han Chinese did/are doing. S/F....Ken M
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Old 21 October 2016, 00:50
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That's one of the myriad of reasons. The Indian diaspora is the largest in the world at about 16-24 million, depending upon if you count the people exported for labor, civil service, or police/military during the expansion of the British Empire. Considering a 1.3 billion population, that's still a drop in the bucket at just over a percent to two. Revenue wise, its decent coin. The shift has been mostly towards the middle east for labor.

Secondarily, long term strategy and India don't exist in the same universe. For a slow invasion strategy, it would actually require a group to decide, agree, and commit to something over a period of time. Practically impossible within the context of subcontinental politics. The subcontinent is on the high end of a heterogeneous population make up, therefore unity in thought or direction isn't really there, hence the difficulty of committing to any direction, let alone any strategy. Considering the population size, linguistic, religious, ethnic, social, tribal, political, and cultural subgroups its akin to the continent of Europe or Africa stuffed into one country. Current day India has only been under the dominion of one rule now and under the British, Mughal, Delhi Sultanate, Gupta, and Mauryan empires spread over a few thousand years.

To the subject of this thread, the British should have never drawn a line between India, Pakistan (and Bangladesh), rather let the local leaders arm wrestle it out longer to some consensus. It eventually would have shaken out to some state of cohesion by the dominant factor, whether religion or language. Even the military (the most unified group during partition) has the same colonial structure lineage. Another perspective - India and Pakistan could be considered a state of civil war that never ended post Britain, though memories of the partition do fade with time; that was the biggest single mass migration in the history of the world at 10-14 million.
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Old 21 October 2016, 02:09
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This article by William Dalrymple, a well known South Asian historian, is a good synopsis on my note regarding the partition and India/Pakistan being in a long running state of civil war.
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Kashmir has been a source of contention since the two countries split.

The verbal exchanges go up and down in intensity and back and forth continually.

I don't think either country wants a war but somebody could make a mistake and the dog fight would be on.
It is too bad, as Kashmir is one of the most beautiful and coolest places I have ever visited.

Hard to believe how long the conflict has been going on there, on and off over the years.
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Actually, I share the same opinion. Between this and that other thread which smp52 linked, I haven't seen a peep about India's 1961 annexation of Goa. Given that Goa had been Portuguese territory for more than 450 years, and that the Portuguese had a valid argument that present-day India had no legitimate claim, NATO -- of which Portugal remains a member -- missed an opportunity to put upstart India in its place once and for all. But with "Winds of Change" and all that....
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