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Old 16 January 2020, 17:45
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But, Apple did help the FBI. They pried right into what they could, and gave the bureau everything they had access to. They can't, however, recover the private key that is generated without redesigning the phone, or pushing a new update that would force every iPhone user to create a new key--one that could be shared with third parties.
Dude, this is just Clipper and Skipjack, 25 years later. F Them.
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Old 16 January 2020, 17:48
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Yep. Most people may not even be aware of it. Here is a good quick read about the program. There's really no circumstance anyone has been able to divine whereby any of what the government is asking for is okay.
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Old 16 January 2020, 17:49
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Come on Bro, you know that when gloves were invented, all cops were made helpless.
You know...the truth is that LE is trying to stay up with technology and can't. Due to that fact, they will always try a way to backdoor something until their technology is able to catch up. Then, they find they are already behind again. Because of that, many of them have become lazy and simply don't want to take the extra steps that may be needed to work a case without "that" phone. Well, I found "other" ways to do it that were completely legal. It's amazing that ways still exist without having to do things that put my "privacy" in harms way. Just because it's the "old" way doesn't mean it's broke and doesn't still work today.
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Old 16 January 2020, 18:19
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Come on Bro, you know that when gloves were invented, all cops were made helpless.
You would think someone would buy a $5 box of gloves before doing a house break but they don't. Something that still amazes me.
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Old 16 January 2020, 22:02
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I hear what your saying my friend, I really just use your stuff to add to, not challenge. "Terrorism" as something to worry about, is BS, but plays well to the uneducated masses that are "Most Americans".
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If I have failed to be clear - this sh!t is what I am worried about. I don't like any of it, but I use apple products. Our Deep State is out to eff us all. And they are going to justify it based on San Diego and Pensacola.
Drive on, my friend. My sorry old arse needs y'all to protect our nation and me. As was mentioned earlier, the FBI is the problem.
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Old 17 January 2020, 02:49
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Do you think if China's Ministry of State Security captured some radical Uighur's following an attack that Apple would help them crack their iPhone's? I do.
Agreed.

The only thing that would make me feel otherwise with surety is Apple abandoning China.
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Old 17 January 2020, 02:58
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I can't speak to political motivations. I can only speak to the technology. The rest of your post wanders a lot, so I'll just say that Apple doesn't have access to the encryption key. It is generated and maintained on the phone itself, inside of the Secure Enclave. The government is trying to coerce Apple to stop this practice so that the government can get into a person's phone. That's fucked up and worthy of rioting over. It's demonstrable that the government, as well as private entities (Apple included), can't be trusted to not violate someone's privacy. It's the entire reason Apple developed it this way to begin with. They should be applauded.
My feelings mirror an earlier post about the exceptionally low risk of being a victim of terrorism.

To me, there’s an acceptable level of lives lost and criminal proceeds of crime gained to ensure individual freedoms.

Along the lines of 2A.

Perhaps legal innovations around gun controls will be mirrored by legal innovations around protecting privacy and disrupting illicit surveillance?
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Old 22 January 2020, 05:56
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This is interesting......

Story developing on Jeff Bezos getting his phone cracked by Saudi MBS sending Jeff a WhatsApp message with embedded malware:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...i-crown-prince

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22111560

IF true, then perhaps it was MBS that burned Jeff on his side-piece when still married due to Jeff’s billionaire hobby newspaper WaPost employing Khashoggi before MBS had his thugs pour him down the drain.

Really, really bad drills by Jeff.

And really, really brazen behaviour by MBS.

Can’t blame that on “rogue behaviour”, well, MBS anyway.
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Old 22 January 2020, 15:45
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This is interesting......

Story developing on Jeff Bezos getting his phone cracked by Saudi MBS sending Jeff a WhatsApp message with embedded malware:
I was in an investigative group (not quite a task force) before I retired. They used Whats App to communicate. I never understood it given these guys mission.

I took that app off my phone the day I retired (along with all Google apps as well).
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Old 22 January 2020, 16:21
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If you (your device) is not generating and exchanging keys itself, it's best to assume it's insecure.
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