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Old 10 January 2019, 20:16
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Bone Broth and/or 5:2 plans?

Anyone try this or doing? Eat healthy/paleo 5 days a week, then on two non-consecutive days of the week do intermittent fasting by only drinking several cups of bone broth.

Think will try it out. I do like a nice hot cup of bone broth, especially in this cold weather.
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Old 10 January 2019, 20:19
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I like bone marrow.

I would scoop it out with my pinky finger whenever we had slided country ham bone in...

ETA: There are enough hunters on this website that you could have a metric shit ton of hooved arms and legs to make a proper broth.

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Old 10 January 2019, 21:50
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I regularly do the "Warrior Diet" intermittent fasting, in cycles of 6-8 weeks. I.e. - I do the daily intermittent fasting for that 6-8 weeks, then go back to "normal" eating for about the same duration, then back to the fasting. I am not super strict about this schedule, but that's how it usually plays out on average over time. When I am doing the non-fasting cycle, I still try to do a 36-48 hour fast once per month.

For me, this version of the intermittent fasting gives me more mental clarity during the day - and gives you that "reward" meal at the end of the day - something to look forward to. I have not tried the cycle you suggest - maybe I will give that one a try.

Btw, I was originally put off by the "Warrior Diet" book, because of the name. However, several friends did it and loved it, and convinced me to try it. The research and theory within the book are pretty compelling.

Regarding bone broth - I love that stuff.
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Old 11 January 2019, 08:01
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I make a lot of bone broth. Beef, pork, chicken, whatever, I'm not fussy, it all gets chucked in the pot. The freezer is stocked up. The wife tends to consume most of it though, having some every day.

I can't do anything in moderation so my version of fasting etc is a bit more spartan than what you proposed for yourself. Keto OMAD with 1-2 days a week wet fasting (no food just water). My bone broth gets consumed during a normal meal window.

The only flexibility in my system is I occassionally spread my one meal a day into longer eating windows up to maximum 6 hours if I feel a need. If I do extend to 6 hours or if I'm concerned that I may have exceeded my carb allowance then I follow the next day with a fast.
My only cheat is every day starts with butter/coconut oil coffee but it doesn't reflect an insulin spike so no harm done.

I reckon I'm healthier now than I've ever been. A couple of years ago I had one foot in the grave and now I probably still have one foot in the grave but it does look and feel like it
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Old 11 January 2019, 08:42
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Bone broth. Jesus guys...save it for SHTF scenarios.

I fast while I'm sleeping.
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Old 11 January 2019, 09:31
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I think people should just eat and skip "diet" plans. You become a slave to it much like the clown bodybuilders who carry food around so they can have 5 meals a day. (Yes I think the 5 or whatever meal concept is stupid too and not needed in case anyone was wondering)
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Amen. "It'll stoke your metabolic furnace!" Uh, no it doesn't.

LP - here's what I learned from living in this shit almost 16/7 for the last, going on 5 years now - 99% of it is re-hashed/re-branded basic shit that everybody already knows works - but they want your money to tell it to you again.

99% of fat loss/muscle gain supplements are BS snake oil, that do nothing. Oh, wait, I was wrong - some may actually help you lose/gain 0.0000000000000000000001% fat/muscle so they aren't "worthless", just $50 a month

Instant Coffee and Creatine (literally pennies/day) are the only things you need, if you need anything at all.

Shop the perimeter of the store, go down an aisle or two for rice, nuts, canned vegetables, etc - and train sensibly with cardio and strength/endurance.

Combine that with not "going nuts" with food "often" and in a year you will be amazed. Nobody has patience anymore - consistency is real key.
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One thing I like about the bone broth and been doing it this last week, is just helping me break a bad habit. Having a big meal in the evening. Instead been having one to two cups of bone broth. Get 10-20 G protein, all natural. And don't feel bloated and sleep better. And curbs that appetite for a late night meal. Make me feel full.

The callogen in the bone broth is suppose to pretty good as well for you. Then have good heathy breakfast (eggs and fruit) and good lunch (fish or chicken usually with plenty of vegetables).

Still not sold on the intermetint fasting. Ready all the positive things people say, but seems to me if you are working out/active the last thing you want to do is fast. Not have the nutrients/protein for body to repair.
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Amen. "It'll stoke your metabolic furnace!" Uh, no it doesn't.

LP - here's what I learned from living in this shit almost 16/7 for the last, going on 5 years now - 99% of it is re-hashed/re-branded basic shit that everybody already knows works - but they want your money to tell it to you again.

99% of fat loss/muscle gain supplements are BS snake oil, that do nothing. Oh, wait, I was wrong - some may actually help you lose/gain 0.0000000000000000000001% fat/muscle so they aren't "worthless", just $50 a month

Instant Coffee and Creatine (literally pennies/day) are the only things you need, if you need anything at all.

Shop the perimeter of the store, go down an aisle or two for rice, nuts, canned vegetables, etc - and train sensibly with cardio and strength/endurance.

Combine that with not "going nuts" with food "often" and in a year you will be amazed. Nobody has patience anymore - consistency is real key.
Don't forget the T shot.
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As a follow on point - Intermittent Fasting (e.g. warrior diet) is much more about when to eat (and why) than it is about what to eat. All the other threads that discuss what to eat still apply.
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Don't forget the T shot.
I went from 300lbs to 200lbs when my T was 300ng/dl - there's a lot of non-science in the belief of how much it matters in that aspect. Don't get me wrong, it improves everything, but at physiological levels, I think it's used as an excuse not to try. It's all total calories in vs energy out for whatever your goal is.

I.F. is fine, I do it - but not because it is magic - I just am not hungry in the AM. It's an energy control tool. If you like it, do it. If you don't like it, don't do it. At the end of a year you won't be able to tell a difference between two identical twins who use different, but energy equated eating methods.

Broth is fine - it isn't bad. But it isn't a complete protein, don't use it as a large portion of your protein - meat, fish, eggs, and dairy for that. The Collagen in it *is* good for joints - there is good research on that - take it with about 250mg Vitamin C. For god sake, don't pay for packets of it - go to Walmart and get 'Sam's Choice' Beef or Chicken Bone Broth.

If it works for you, do it - consistently.
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If you're feeling bloated after eating dinner, you need to fix your gut, not switch to bone broth.

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I'm having good success with Keto + Intermittent Fasting. On 07-Jan I started off with a 40 hour fast Fr-Sun (only allowed water, coffee, and tea), and tried to finished the week of OMAD. By Tuesday I had to take a spinach+lettuce+sesame oil salad for lunch to regain some mental clarity that day.

I did a 32 hour fast last weekend, but M-F (work) is best if I have 2 eggs (with mayo) for breakfast, followed by the leaf+oil lunch (maybe add a Hard Boiled egg), and remaining calories (and protein) at dinner

Here's my conclusions and results after , which include some additional research:
  • The fasting allowed my stomach to shrink so I am satisfied and feel full eating much less food during the day.
  • Fasting is much easier when the body is in ketosis. I even get to OMAD on some workdays.
  • When I'm hungry, my body is much more quickly satisfied with a fatty food (like a handful of nuts) than when I'm not in ketosis.
  • At 4 days in my body felt much better. Less joint pain, much more flexiblility, and increased mental alertness. My lower back is doing amazingly better than before I started this eating program.
  • At 3-1/2 weeks in, I've lost over 24 lbs
    At 3-1/2 weeks in, I've lost 23 lbs
  • I started at 251 and 1900 calories a day. I'm down to 227 and 1500 allowed calories a day. But I'm usually satisfied with around 1200 calories - without feeling like I'm dragging or having mental fog.
  • I've got at least 45 pounds to go, and this is the first diet that I think I can make work long term.
  • Autophagy is a great long term health benefit that comes from the fasting, making fasting a regular part of any "diet" I'm doing.

I feel great on Keto + Fasting. When I look at a donut (or other carb), I disregard it easily because the cost to my body is too great. Being on a high fat (ketogenic) diet makes it much easier to resist the calories.

I also learned that there is some issue with a high omega-6 to omega-3 diet. I added smoked herring to my diet on Sunday to see if I could find a food that I liked. Maybe it was a coincidence, but 3 hours later I found that my back discomfort went from "noticeable but not bad" to "where did it go?"

So I looked into it, and the right Omega-3's have an anti-inflammatory effect.

Did you know there are 3 formulations for Omega-3's? See table 2 in this link. ALA's provide minimal benefit beside energy. Only the DHA & EPA omega-3's have direct health benefits!
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Om...hProfessional/
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Nothing I'd call a "diet," but I tend to eat clean, and regularly engage in intermittent fasting, only eating between noon and 8PM. Seems to work pretty well for me, but I wouldn't restrict myself to that in any formal sense; if I want to eat outside that timeframe, I will. This is just something I do in general.

Basically, fasting can be good for you, but you need to listen to your body: if you need to eat, eat.

As for bone broth...well, it's pretty healthy...better if you make it yourself. I tend to drink a fair bit of it in the evenings.
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I'm having good success with Keto + Intermittent Fasting. On 07-Jan I started off with a 40 hour fast Fr-Sun (only allowed water, coffee, and tea), and tried to finished the week of OMAD. By Tuesday I had to take a spinach+lettuce+sesame oil salad for lunch to regain some mental clarity that day.

I did a 32 hour fast last weekend, but M-F (work) is best if I have 2 eggs (with mayo) for breakfast, followed by the leaf+oil lunch (maybe add a Hard Boiled egg), and remaining calories (and protein) at dinner

Here's my conclusions and results after , which include some additional research:
  • The fasting allowed my stomach to shrink so I am satisfied and feel full eating much less food during the day.
  • Fasting is much easier when the body is in ketosis. I even get to OMAD on some workdays.
  • When I'm hungry, my body is much more quickly satisfied with a fatty food (like a handful of nuts) than when I'm not in ketosis.
  • At 4 days in my body felt much better. Less joint pain, much more flexiblility, and increased mental alertness. My lower back is doing amazingly better than before I started this eating program.
  • At 3-1/2 weeks in, I've lost over 24 lbs
    At 3-1/2 weeks in, I've lost 23 lbs
  • I started at 251 and 1900 calories a day. I'm down to 227 and 1500 allowed calories a day. But I'm usually satisfied with around 1200 calories - without feeling like I'm dragging or having mental fog.
  • I've got at least 45 pounds to go, and this is the first diet that I think I can make work long term.
  • Autophagy is a great long term health benefit that comes from the fasting, making fasting a regular part of any "diet" I'm doing.

I feel great on Keto + Fasting. When I look at a donut (or other carb), I disregard it easily because the cost to my body is too great. Being on a high fat (ketogenic) diet makes it much easier to resist the calories.

I also learned that there is some issue with a high omega-6 to omega-3 diet. I added smoked herring to my diet on Sunday to see if I could find a food that I liked. Maybe it was a coincidence, but 3 hours later I found that my back discomfort went from "noticeable but not bad" to "where did it go?"

So I looked into it, and the right Omega-3's have an anti-inflammatory effect.

Did you know there are 3 formulations for Omega-3's? See table 2 in this link. ALA's provide minimal benefit beside energy. Only the DHA & EPA omega-3's have direct health benefits!
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Om...hProfessional/
Sounds great!
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Here's the latest on Intermittent Fasting (IF), which still has no standardized definition:

https://suppversity.blogspot.com/201...socaloric.html

Don't get too excited - the "...beats iscocaloric daily restriction" is only for lipid values - are you "sick" with bad lipid values? Also notice the Fat Free Mass loss (muscle), due to sub-optimal protein intake in the IF70 group.

Bottom Line : It's your weekly deficit that will drive fat loss - if waiting until noon to eat gets you there, great. If "regular eating" (but same deficit) gets you there, great. Pick a daily deficit, track it like a beast, get enough quality protein, do your cardio, and lift your weights/body-weight training. If you want the (purported) benefits of fasting - then just stop eating at 6PM and wait until 12PM - but you're just compressing your eating window, not changing how much you eat.

Pick *something* and just do it every day - that's the key - not some "magic".... in my opinion, of course.
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Pick *something* and just do it every day - that's the key - not some "magic".... in my opinion, of course.
This, times about a fucking billion.
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Pick *something* and just do it every day - that's the key - not some "magic".... in my opinion, of course.
Absolutely. The only weight loss magic with Keto or fasting, is if it helps you maintain the discipline to cut calories. A friend of mine lost weight eating only Big Mac's, just to prove the point. His "magic" was that after 10 or 20 Big Macs, with nothing else as an option, he just didn't feel like eating much.
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I do bone broth, beef, chicken, vegetable. for my ulcers. no caffeine or tea..............
I use bone broth making my top ramen in different flavors.
Its a great healer in your stomach and other areas.
Gastro Dr. told me about it and have been on it since December.
One ulcer down another to go!
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Seriously...you know why they call it the 'Paleo' diet, like it's some great thing. Fast for a few days and then eat. It's mostly because those cave dwelling fuckers hunted with spears--they didn't have guns, bows, or Chuck Norris. They only ate when they killed something, which probably wasn't every day...you could call it the wolf pack diet. Starve then gorge, same principal when you think about it.
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