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Old 10 February 2018, 11:35
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So in other words, they play little accounting tricks to make their company look more valuable than it really is?
Sure there are companies that use accounting in their favor, try to juice certain metrics before reporting but then the auditors are just as complicit. That said, I was responding to share buybacks.
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Old 10 February 2018, 12:32
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Bond funds, like the F, may not be a great plan for a safe haven... As rates go up bond FUND prices go down...
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Old 10 February 2018, 14:51
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Bond funds, like the F, may not be a great plan for a safe haven... As rates go up bond FUND prices go down...
I read that in the TSP and decided on the Gfund. Once it looks like the storm is over back to S and C
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Old 10 February 2018, 16:06
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So in other words, they play little accounting tricks to make their company look more valuable than it really is?
Sorry, I think this needs some more clarification.

What DirtyDog was saying wasn't that companies were doing anything wrong by buying back shares. It's that media, pundits, business or political analysts were trying to spin the act of share buybacks and the corresponding rise in the stock market as a success of either Fed or the former presidents policies.

They weren't. Companies were acting logically given the circumstances.

Fact is that large, mature companies were rational to buy back shares with borrowing rates as low as they were. Especially as they have to continue paying out ever-rising dividend rates, taking shares out of circulation works in the benefit of not just the company but of the long-term benefits shareholders and stakeholders.
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Old 10 February 2018, 16:15
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I will probably get flamed for this, but, why does the Fed pay dividends to it's owners/instigators?
That would appear to be, effectively, a form of insider trading?
I'm not a guru when it comes to these things and am merely curious.
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Old 10 February 2018, 16:21
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It's that media, pundits, business or political analysts were trying to spin the act of share buybacks and the corresponding rise in the stock market as a success of either Fed or the former presidents policies.

They weren't. Companies were acting logically given the circumstances.
What about those statements are mutually exclusive?

I was critical of the story that the msm liars were pushing which stated the stock market rise was attributed to "sound economic principles" and that the fundamentals were genuine --- leading to "real" economic growth and were not nothing more than accounting tricks and "fake" economic growth. Because all the average layperson sees is the DJIA going either green or red. And that's what they base their emotional decisions upon.

It was a lie then, and it's a lie now. Like that balloon army of tanks the allies created before DDay. It wasn't a REAL army, it was fake. And if anyone looked at it closer than an aerial recon flyover, the jig would have been up. Same with the current DOW prices. It's fake, but not enough people know it's fake. One tiny strafe with real ammo (aka stress) and it's apparent how easily toppled the system becomes. IMO that's what occurred to make the DOW go haywire last week. It's fundamentally flawed and despite the liars on TVs insistence to the contrary, the economy isn't structurally sound as people think they are. "It's a big fat bubble" to quote candidate trump. Created by accounting "trickery" (logical/legal or not) giving the impression of a more robust system than it really is.

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Old 10 February 2018, 16:23
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I will probably get flamed for this, but, why does the Fed pay dividends to it's owners/instigators?
That would appear to be, effectively, a form of insider trading?
I'm not a guru when it comes to these things and am merely curious.
Because it's a big ass scam from day one. I suggest "the creature from Jekyll island" if you want to understand how evil and insidious the FED and central banking cartel is. And why people like Jackson fought so hard to free us from their clutches.
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Old 10 February 2018, 16:49
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I will probably get flamed for this, but, why does the Fed pay dividends to it's owners/instigators?
That would appear to be, effectively, a form of insider trading?
I'm not a guru when it comes to these things and am merely curious.
It doesn't. It pays them to the treasury. It's called seigniorage.
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Old 10 February 2018, 16:50
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What about those statements are mutually exclusive?
What?
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Old 10 February 2018, 16:56
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I just did the same...just to stop the loss, in case it keeps going down. G Fund is Government Securities, F is the Bond Fund.
True. I just know if I move it to G I may not make anything but I won't lose anything either. Once it settles down and stays the slow climb back up I will be back in CS and I.
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Old 10 February 2018, 17:01
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Oldie but a goodie;
https://www.frbsf.org/education/publ...serve-funding/

Board salaries
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Fed...es-E142008.htm
6% dividend
https://newrepublic.com/article/1169...-handout-banks
So I don't appear like a complete fucking arse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struct...Reserve_System

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Old 10 February 2018, 17:06
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6% dividend
https://newrepublic.com/article/1169...-handout-banks
So I don't appear like a complete fucking arse
That article doesn't make any sense.

Here's his gripe:

"The expansion of the Fed balance sheet has led to record profits remitted to the Treasury, including a record $88.9 billion in 2012 and another $77.7 billion last year. But while this $1.6 billion annual giveaway to banks is small in relative terms"

$1.6B to all 900+ Chartered Fed Banks? That's nothing, and I don't like the Fed and also think it shouldn't exist.

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Old 10 February 2018, 20:17
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Too late.
Is there a reason you think you're in a position to post something like this?
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Old 10 February 2018, 21:00
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Is there a reason you think you're in a position to post something like this?
No.

My apologies Maim. The thought of putting some sort of icon to make sure it came across as jest only came later.

SB,

My apologies to you as well. I'll put more thought into the way I come off.
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Old 10 February 2018, 21:21
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Once it settles down and stays the slow climb back up I will be back in CS and I.
That time may be now.
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That time may be now.
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Old 12 February 2018, 17:21
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With the market as over priced as the experts said and the rapid correction that occurred, I’m wondering if some new people jumped into the market last week. Correct me if i’m wrong, but that would be a good thing.
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The ongoing volatility is killing me....a two-month whipsaw of mostly three-digit basis point (1%+) changes daily. This can't keep up....can it? I need to sleep at night.....
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The ongoing volatility is killing me....a two-month whipsaw of mostly three-digit basis point (1%+) changes daily. This can't keep up....can it? I need to sleep at night.....
I'll get my damage report when the mutual funds report their day gain/loss, but I'm expecting a hit. It might not be the new normal, but it's getting less and less uncommon to have seesaws like this. Three digits of real index points in the market aren't as much as they used to be. Between revised expectations from the tax cut effects, and the FED trying to raise rates on some sort of schedule, there are a lot of moving parts that can make for a bumpy road. That's before you throw in the turmoil of today when Facebook took a junk punch and everyone with a stake in them had their balls twinge all the same.
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