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Old 9 February 2018, 16:28
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Itís official: Army unveils brown beret, new patch for military advisers....

Hello? General Shit-Suzuki?

https://www.sofx.com/2018/02/09/offi...ab-army-times/
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Old 9 February 2018, 19:00
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I'm still trying to figure out how they earn that tab, if it's not associated with the patch, like ABN tabs are.
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Old 9 February 2018, 19:40
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That's the ugliest thing I've ever seen. It looks like a Pterodactyl took a shit on his head.
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Old 9 February 2018, 19:42
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I'm not getting too wrapped around the axle on this one, for the following reasons:

1) There is far more demand for theater security cooperation than SOF can handle, and much of it does not require SOF. We have been using a hodgepodge of GPF forces to execute a lot of it, which degrades the GPF element's readiness and ability to conduct their true mission set. I think the SFAB is a good concept, if executed properly.
2) It is difficult to attract good personnel to a new and untested concept, and for good reason. If the new and untested concept doesn't gain traction, folks that volunteered for it suffer career consequences (see the AF-PAK hands program, any version of the multiple failed Warrior Transition Units). Guess what...uniform bling can attract folks to come give it a try.
3) Hats. I can't get excited about hats. In the Army, I've had a black hat for a while, then a maroon hat for a brief time, and, for the last 22 years, a green hat. Hats. They don't make the man, so they can give the SFAB any hat they want. The SFAB will succeed or fail based on a bunch of factors...and the hat is not one of them.

I have a notoriously cynical outlook...and I wholeheartedly support the SFAB concept, and their hats.
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Old 9 February 2018, 19:52
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There's that pre-retirement attitude again.
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Old 9 February 2018, 20:06
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Berets.. shit brown, cool guy green, airborne red, old school black/new school tan... just reinforces my decision to go MC. Good luck, Army
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Old 9 February 2018, 20:34
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Berets.. shit brown, cool guy green, airborne red, old school black/new school tan... just reinforces my decision to go MC. Good luck, Army
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Old 9 February 2018, 21:22
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There's that pre-retirement attitude again.
Probably, but there was a very important lesson in the SFAB beret debacle that I hope someone in the Army learned from. Donít use equipment that you donít know how to operate. In this case, the equipment was a computer with an internet connection.
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Probably, but there was a very important lesson in the SFAB beret debacle that I hope someone in the Army learned from. Donít use equipment that you donít know how to operate. In this case, the equipment was a computer with an internet connection.
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I remember in the 70's VOL LOR Army, almost every branch and unit had a diffrent color beret. Then there were the Stetson hats Cav boots with spurs.
Change of command at Fort Hood, for the 1st Cav was done on horse back until a certain 1st Cav general received the guidon and his horse threw him and landed on him.
I was down the road one evening getting gas when these 3 soldiers were beside me getting gas , in uniform with their off color green berets on. These girls in the next car asked them if they were green berets, Special Forces? Of course they said they were and struck up a conversation with them.I Was SMH as I drove off .
Then was the Infantry units that wore a powder blue beret almost looked like UN blue.
That was like 1972 ?? Way back when!
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Old 10 February 2018, 09:29
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It should have been a Raspberry Beret.

Mr. Rogers Nelson would have approved.
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Old 10 February 2018, 10:38
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Berets.. shit brown, cool guy green, airborne red, old school black/new school tan... just reinforces my decision to go MC. Good luck, Army
That's how I felt, then MARSOC started handing out bling...
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I remember in the 70's VOL LOR Army, almost every branch and unit had a diffrent color beret. Then there were the Stetson hats Cav boots with spurs.
Change of command at Fort Hood, for the 1st Cav was done on horse back until a certain 1st Cav general received the guidon and his horse threw him and landed on him.

That was like 1972 ?? Way back when!
Remember that all too well, just before I left AD. 1st Cav wore yellow baseball caps. Still have (somewhere) photos of change of command for my BN complete with a mounted color guard in old Cav uniforms. Tanks & horses - not surprised someone was thrown.
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Old 10 February 2018, 12:51
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My question is, why did they not go with a totally different color, like midnight blue or something, that could look dope and wouldn't be stealing anyone else's thunder. There are so many colors out there, the fact that they keep choosing colors that are similar to existing SOF units tells me that they are trying to associate really hard.
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Old 10 February 2018, 13:10
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I suspect that it's because CoS Army General Milley (one time O-3 SF Team Leader) personally selected the item...

And his SMA didn't slap him upside of the head with a coffee mug.
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Old 10 February 2018, 14:00
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I suspect that it's because CoS Army General Milley (one time O-3 SF Team Leader) personally selected the item...
You don't have to suspect anything, it's all out there. If anyone wants to figure out how this came about, you can do so quite easily.

Start by refreshing your knowledge of how new uniform items are proposed to the Institute of Heraldry.

Then, do a little war-gaming exercise...ask yourself "what would happen if someone at Fort Benning who is not authorized to make uniform decisions and is totally disconnected from the Institute of Heraldry were to put out an ill-advised Facebook post and what if the the whole internet were to blow up in response, threatening to derail the formation of a high-priority new and at-that-point unflagged element, requiring the the Army CoS to get personally involved in social media shitstorms, and causing the Institute of Heraldry to do a somewhat expedited introduction of authorized uniform and insignia items?"

That, my friends, is how shit happens.
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Old 10 February 2018, 18:01
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I have a tendency to agree with Gavin. I wore a black one and red one for my 11 year "career".

Its a fucking wool hat stuck on your head, typically in the south, where heat and humidity are the standard 9 months out of the year.

Now, I was a civilian when the fun, fair, positive black beret debacle went down, so perhaps my anger would have been amped up more had I still been in. But, The Regiment seems to have done quite well under that tan one, no?

It's like the damn high and tight issue, CSM Birch had the stroke to implement what many of us had been yelling about for years. Seems the Boys have adapted to that change quite well.

Just my opinion, your mileage of course may vary.
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Old 10 February 2018, 18:07
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There are so many colors out there, the fact that they keep choosing colors that are similar to existing SOF units tells me that they are trying to associate really hard.
Pretty sure Shinseki was on the record saying something to this effect.

Speaking of which DH's reference does not go unnoticed for all the obvious reasons
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Old 10 February 2018, 18:37
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If they wanted lots o' volunteers, they should have just designed the tab to read: "MAX PER DIEM"...

Then funded the SFABs to make that promise a full-time reality.
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If they wanted lots o' volunteers, they should have just designed the tab to read: "MAX PER DIEM"...

Then funded the SFABs to make that promise a full-time reality.
Well, see, that's a problem. The US Army has lots of some stuff, but not money.
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