SOCNET

Go Back   SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network > General Topics > Veterans Issues

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 21 October 2016, 14:33
Cruiserweight's Avatar
Cruiserweight Cruiserweight is offline
Confirmed User
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Central Texas.
Posts: 164
I had my Compensation and Pension exam sourced out to a company call Veteran Evaluation Services just two weeks ago. This company absolutely sucks ass. Where to even begin.

I received a call from them stating that they would be conducting my C&P exam and I would be receiving a letter instructing me where and when to appear. They confirm my address and such. Week goes by and I receive nothing so I call. They tell me my appointment is tomorrow in Plano, TX, which is a solid four hours away. I tell them this is not happening and they get mad and reschedule me and send me a letter.
This letter has a new date and location, this time about an hour and a half away in Austin. When the day comes I make the drive only to arrive at an empty intersection where the physicians office should be. The map they included with their letter is unreadable and my GPS isn't helping. I finally get ahold of the physician I'm supposed to see and he says that I'm twenty minutes away from him and he would have to talk me onto target as the GPS was no help and by the time I got there he'd have to be seeing another patient. I call Veteran Evaluation Services and they proceed to treat me like a private and are totally uncooperative. Just a very frustrating experience. These people just don't give a shit. They're busy sucking that government teat.

I talked to one of my buddies that had Veteran Evaluation Services do his C&P and he said the same thing, that he showed up to the address provided and it wasn't a physician's office or anything like one.

https://www.veteranslawblog.org/grad...l-due-process/
More pertinent info on the complaints against this company and others.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 22 October 2016, 08:09
Headshot's Avatar
Headshot Headshot is offline
<3>
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: CONUS
Posts: 2,130
The VA hospital doesn't care to see your records because they aren't the one who handles them. They access the system into which your records are entered in order to reference what they need. There isn't some big file room at the hospital where they go pull your file, it is ALL accessed via computer. The VA sucks, not doubt, but there is a way to navigate the system to make it easier, and better understood. I am heading out to church in a few, but will post a few links when I get home to help anyone who is interested in getting their records to the right place. You absolutely need to have every bit of healthcare you receive for anything, private or VA, scanned and entered into your records.

The quickest thing to do is call the office where they do the evaluations at your local VA and tell them you have medical records you need to enter into the system before you get evaluated and ask them where to send them, they will be more than happy to tell you.

In regard to medical care, claims, and all other VA health related issues, there is the VA, the VHA, and the VBA, learn the difference. One reports some things about you, one reports other things about you, if you don't know this then the system is like trying to untangled a ball of razor wire.
__________________
If a person won't show me their scars, I have no interest in seeing their trophies.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 22 October 2016, 14:33
reed11b's Avatar
reed11b reed11b is offline
Chicks dig scars
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Olympia WA
Posts: 828
Quote:
Originally Posted by Headshot View Post

In regard to medical care, claims, and all other VA health related issues, there is the VA, the VHA, and the VBA, learn the difference. One reports some things about you, one reports other things about you, if you don't know this then the system is like trying to untangled a ball of razor wire.
This. x1000. When I worked for the VA, I couldn't tell you how many times I asked if someone had put in for disability and they would say "Yes, I'm seeing Dr. Soandso at the Hospital" or if I asked if they were enrolled in healthcare they would say "Yes, I'm 30% service connected". Two different things and two different application processes.
Reed
__________________
The Rain God is a pussy!


Quote:
Originally Posted by SOTB
You're an Army dude, aren't you?
Quote:
Must have been my use of big words that gave it away.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 22 October 2016, 19:25
etgwynn etgwynn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Durango, Colorado
Posts: 4
The temptation is to see the privatization as different from the VA. As long as the government is paying the payments will diminish, fraud will occur (see Medicaid) and care will still be hard to come by.
It will become difficult to find a doc who will accept the crap that must accompany the new program.
Perseverance will be the only way to benefit from either the VA or private care.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 22 October 2016, 22:54
wildman43's Avatar
wildman43 wildman43 is offline
Never to old to learn
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: California
Posts: 1,870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Headshot View Post
The VA hospital doesn't care to see your records because they aren't the one who handles them. They access the system into which your records are entered in order to reference what they need. There isn't some big file room at the hospital where they go pull your file, it is ALL accessed via computer. The VA sucks, not doubt, but there is a way to navigate the system to make it easier, and better understood. I am heading out to church in a few, but will post a few links when I get home to help anyone who is interested in getting their records to the right place. You absolutely need to have every bit of healthcare you receive for anything, private or VA, scanned and entered into your records.

The quickest thing to do is call the office where they do the evaluations at your local VA and tell them you have medical records you need to enter into the system before you get evaluated and ask them where to send them, they will be more than happy to tell you.

In regard to medical care, claims, and all other VA health related issues, there is the VA, the VHA, and the VBA, learn the difference. One reports some things about you, one reports other things about you, if you don't know this then the system is like trying to untangled a ball of razor wire.
I would contact the V.A. IG office an file a complaint .
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 22 October 2016, 23:53
Headshot's Avatar
Headshot Headshot is offline
<3>
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: CONUS
Posts: 2,130
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildman43 View Post
I would contact the V.A. IG office an file a complaint .
About what?

Unfortunately there is probably a longer line of complaints than there is if you learn how the system works. These are a couple of links for now to at least get people in the system. Many think they are automatically in the system when they are not, and it gets frustrating when they go to the hospital and nobody has a record of them beyond their SSN and the fact they served.

Go to this link to enroll in VA Healthcare, just because you may be receiving benefits does not mean you are enrolled in the healthcare system, many are mistaken on this one.

https://www.vets.gov/healthcare/apply/application/introduction

Go to this link if you need to request service records for any reason, it may take up to 90 days, so be patient.

https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records
__________________
If a person won't show me their scars, I have no interest in seeing their trophies.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 23 October 2016, 13:58
wildman43's Avatar
wildman43 wildman43 is offline
Never to old to learn
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: California
Posts: 1,870
Quote:
Originally Posted by Headshot View Post
About what?

Unfortunately there is probably a longer line of complaints than there is if you learn how the system works. These are a couple of links for now to at least get people in the system. Many think they are automatically in the system when they are not, and it gets frustrating when they go to the hospital and nobody has a record of them beyond their SSN and the fact they served.

Go to this link to enroll in VA Healthcare, just because you may be receiving benefits does not mean you are enrolled in the healthcare system, many are mistaken on this one.

https://www.vets.gov/healthcare/apply/application/introduction

Go to this link if you need to request service records for any reason, it may take up to 90 days, so be patient.

https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records
I know what you are talking about the out V.A. serviced OUT side of the V.A.

I have received several complaints' form Veterans about this service. Read the link below this is only one of several that have been awarded .

http://links.govdelivery.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTIwMTYw OTE5LjYzOTU4MjYxJm1lc3NhZ2VpZD1NREItUFJELUJVTC0yMD E2MDkxOS42Mzk1ODI2MSZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTEwMDEmc2VyaWFs PTE3MTAxMTg0JmVtYWlsaWQ9bGVnZ2V0dHdAb25lbWFpbi5jb2 0mdXNlcmlkPWxlZ2dldHR3QG9uZW1haW4uY29tJmZsPSZleHRy YT1NdWx0aXZhcmlhdGVJZD0mJiY=&&&100&&&http://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/PressArtInternet.cfm?id=2821

Yes a lot of the problem is when an a Veteran gets out of the military they give there current address, then move to a different state. Every time you move or go to a different V.A. you will have to enroll at that V.A. . The V.A. system is set up so one individual can't look at your records, if you live in a different STATE in some cases if you live in a state like Texas, California, there are divided in to regions. i.e. if you lived in Los Angeles CA an moved to San Diego CA you would have to enroll in the San Diego Region. V.A. then only V.A. Employees can see your records.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 29 March 2018, 17:26
Semp Semp is offline
A lost ball in high weeds
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 392
Privatization of the VA is back in the news again. With Shulkin gone maybe some progress will be made. I, for one, am in favor of it. Privatization can not possibly be any worse than the nightmare we currently have.

I keep reading that "veterans don't want privatization". I can assure you no one has asked me.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 29 March 2018, 18:19
wildman43's Avatar
wildman43 wildman43 is offline
Never to old to learn
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: California
Posts: 1,870
Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by Semp View Post
Privatization of the VA is back in the news again. With Shulkin gone maybe some progress will be made. I, for one, am in favor of it. Privatization can not possibly be any worse than the nightmare we currently have.

I keep reading that "veterans don't want privatization". I can assure you no one has asked me.
Do you use the V.A. much? If you get medications from the V.A. they will be about $8.00. Get the same Medications out side of the V.A. an you will pay any where from $15.00 to $30.00 or more. you will not have a FREE Doctors visit, $15.00 to $25.00 an up to $50.00 to see a specialist or even more.
Privatization will be worse.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 29 March 2018, 18:37
Ole crusty bastard's Avatar
Ole crusty bastard Ole crusty bastard is offline
Authorized Personnel
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Port Charlotte FL
Posts: 4,867
If it were only the money, the service really sucks.

Put me in charge of the VA with the authority to make changes.
__________________
...when in doubt...over prime.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 29 March 2018, 20:56
Fu King Lawyer Fu King Lawyer is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: ...
Posts: 1,180
VA's web site has a link to "quick facts" and "pocket cards". Check it out. The number of Vets is in free fall, and they don't have a FF-2 (AOD). Over 7 million Vets will die off in the next 12 years. We don't have the numbers to influence Congress.

If we, as Vets, don't get smart, we are going to lose it all. Our numbers will be not be enough to influence legislation.

I wouldn't want to live in a country with me in charge. But if I were in charge, every disabled Vet would get a choice card (CHAMPVA) that paid like Medicare - but it would pay100% of treatment costs plus 100% of prescriptions.

VA is the second largest department in the federal government. If they would close it up, the VA budget would pay for the choice cards and the rest of the money would plus up Medicare for a couple of decades.

A month or so ago, I asked an Iraq Vet to join VFW and explained how we influence congress. He explained to me, that he regretted being enrolled in VA health care, because every routine problem he had, caused him to go thru the VA system and spend up to 3 days on what should be a 2 hour appointment. He observed that "VA patients are a whole bunch of 'old fucks' who have time to sit in the VA and swap sea stories" and said = while the rest of us are trying to get back to our jobs and compete with our fellow employees over who will advance over us, because their medical appointments are done in a couple hours and they get back to productive work they will get promoted over me (a wise observation). He said, we got lives, wives, and we got kids.

VA is based on a WWII model. VA won't and can't change. It is a new era and we should decide that the new Vets have different terms of reference than us "old fucks" do. Listen to them.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 29 March 2018, 21:16
Gsniper Gsniper is online now
Shakin' the bush Boss
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Virginia
Posts: 5,731
The VA is a big giant steaming mess. Everything they have ever tried to do for me has been a trainwreck, from healthcare to the GI bill. However, no politician on the planet is going to put 370,000 people out of work. At this point, it's like the banks, it's too big to fail. I'd like to see a cost comparison of what an MRI costs in private practice VS an MRI at the VA. In the civ world you go see an Ortho, he sends you to an imaging center and you get an MRI. In the VA you go see your PCP, who refers you to the Ortho, who refers you to the TBI clinic, who refers you to the PTSD clinic, who refers you to the sleep clinic, who says we don't do knees and refers you back to the PCP. Then when you get back to your PCP 6 months later, it's a new guy you've never seen before and he says "so, what are you here for today".

Last edited by Gsniper; 29 March 2018 at 21:22.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 29 March 2018, 21:56
pavegnr's Avatar
pavegnr pavegnr is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: bama
Posts: 924
Out of the 6 meds I am on I can only get one from the VA so I end up paying for my meds anyway. Publix gives me my cholesterol meds for free.
With nerve and back damage, service connected, they give me Motrin or Bayer, no more naprosyn, It's bad for me.
It takes over 30 days to get an appointment and unless i schedule one for every 6 months they drop me from the system again.
We have a nice, pretty new building and they are trying something different but I do not see VAMC Montgomery Alabama getting any better. I also have to drive over 50 miles to get there.
My last C&P for my 2003 Appeal was done by LHI, same story as the other appointments the VA has farmed out. Same for my son that just got out of the Army.
__________________
"Life is hard. It's even harder if you're stupid." John Wayne

William Tecumseh Sherman-
I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.

Last edited by pavegnr; 29 March 2018 at 21:59. Reason: gap
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 29 March 2018, 21:58
1RiserSlip's Avatar
1RiserSlip 1RiserSlip is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: W. Slope of Big Sewell Mtn.
Posts: 4,610
While this may not apply to many....at 100%, I have tricare for life and a veterans choice temporary card. It does require pre-approval for some procedures.

That keeps all my healthcare local and any doctor of my choice. If they are a tricare provider they must accept what tricare pays. I've had no problems thus far for co pays, or very low ones.

The VA wants to send me all over the place. Salem, Va- Richmond, etc. I don't have time for that.

I get a physical about every 2 yrs with my VA PCP just to stay in the system. Get my hearing aids tuned up and dental services. That's it. Fuck the VA.
__________________
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them.

John Wayne as J.B. Books in the Shootist
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 29 March 2018, 23:23
crapstash crapstash is offline
Divides by zero
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Probably Oconus
Posts: 312
I haven’t been back to a VA in about 5 years. The last time I tried, I had an appointment scheduled for 7months out (their soonest available). About 2weeks before the appointment I get a letter saying it’s canceled. No idea why. Waste of time.

I have yet to see a government program ran efficiently. VA is no different.

Let’s stop pretending we all need some special care that only the VA can offer.

Stop building billion dollar facilities and just print out a card and let me choose where to go.

I’m an OIF/OEF era veteran and I use exactly zero VA health facilities. I’m not alone.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 29 March 2018, 23:28
Agoge Agoge is offline
Just A "Less Than"
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Gone
Posts: 7,189
Long before I enlisted, I was dealing with the VA on behalf of my grandfather. They were so jacked up back then that he hated it more than his medical issues.

They have gotten no better since and never will! Veterans should be able to go wherever they want and see whoever they chose for their healthcare. The VA has proven they can't handle Veteran's care and don't want to get serious about fixing it.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 29 March 2018, 23:41
1RiserSlip's Avatar
1RiserSlip 1RiserSlip is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: W. Slope of Big Sewell Mtn.
Posts: 4,610
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildman43 View Post
Do you use the V.A. much? If you get medications from the V.A. they will be about $8.00. Get the same Medications out side of the V.A. an you will pay any where from $15.00 to $30.00 or more. you will not have a FREE Doctors visit, $15.00 to $25.00 an up to $50.00 to see a specialist or even more.
Privatization will be worse.

My co-pays at civilian pharmacies are a standard $10.00, sometimes less.

The only exception is COPD meds, rescue inhalers, etc. which run around $28.00

Every now & then I have to have one pre-authorized. The VA's pharmaceutical formulary sucks. Through civilian pharmacies I get the meds the Doctor wants me to take or a generic equivalent.
__________________
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them.

John Wayne as J.B. Books in the Shootist
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 30 March 2018, 08:55
RangerCharlie's Avatar
RangerCharlie RangerCharlie is offline
A/1/75
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: VA
Posts: 8,267
Overwhelmed they are! My local clinic can't keep docs, and it takes 3 months to get an appointment.
__________________
Trust but Verify

Charlie
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 30 March 2018, 10:45
Keganswar Keganswar is offline
Confirmed User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Behind enemy lines NY
Posts: 1,487
I am in favor of privatization of the VA. My Dad did 23 years in the Navy and I had to deal with the VA to get him the hearing aids he needed. That was a nightmare to say the least. How they can make these guys jump through so many hoops is ridiculous. The government is not good at running anything.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 30 March 2018, 11:00
Semp Semp is offline
A lost ball in high weeds
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 392
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildman43 View Post
Do you use the V.A. much? If you get medications from the V.A. they will be about $8.00. Get the same Medications out side of the V.A. an you will pay any where from $15.00 to $30.00 or more. you will not have a FREE Doctors visit, $15.00 to $25.00 an up to $50.00 to see a specialist or even more.
Privatization will be worse.
Yes, I use the VA and have for the last 14 years. The issue is not a few bucks co-pay or free doctor visits, my primary concern is the lack of competent doctors and timeliness of access.

Here's a couple of examples. I have had heel pain (plantar fasciitis) for the last 7 months. It took me 4 months to get an appointment with an outside doctor through the choice program (VA couldn't see me). The doctor said I needed a night boot. The VA would not approve it until I saw one of their podiatrists. (catch 22) It took me 3 more months to see the VA doc. He says I just need to wear stiffer shoes and wouldn't OK the boot. The visit took all of 15 minutes. So I am looking to buy one on my own dime off of Amazon.

I went to the VA a few days ago to get my blood pressure checked. My home meter says I may have systolic hypertension. They have 7 clinics at this facility. There were 4 people TOTAL in the waiting room, and they tell me they don't have time to see me and to schedule an appointment. So I now go back on April 17 to get a 5 minute blood pressure check and see if I need meds.

The VA is totally worthless. Use the billions of dollars poured in to the VA to let all veterans use TriCare or buy individual policies or , if medicare age, buy a supplement for the medicare system. Anything would be better than what we have now.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Our new posting rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:13.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Socnet.com All Rights Reserved
SOCNET 1996-2018