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Old 3 May 2008, 15:00
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By later do you mean AFTER the AF was secure
Yes, after the airfield was secure.
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Old 3 May 2008, 16:19
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Are there jump manifests for these jumps made by the Bn.?
Or better still is there anyone who would be able to ID this guy.
MAGICIAN says he was not a part of A Co as the orders he provided say he was
in May of '83 so we have 7 years before he would have been an E-5 (SPC) at the time of Just Cause according to TEXAN's intel work and could have been a generator repairman.
Can't figure out what a generator repaiman would be doing on a combat
jump into Panama but stanger things have happened and especially since
his MOS doesn't carry any suffix indication of Parachute Qualified.
That's assuming that the info TEXAN has uncovered in correct and accurate. Maybe I am missing something here.

Back to getting a 214 and if he doesn't produce one let the membership decide what they want to do with him. After being around this man for a while we are sure that he would have a tough time fitting in as part of any team. He just doesn't have what it takes.
Thanks for all the input... I guess we will take it from here unless someone comes up with something... Send me an email.. specialforcesmc@att.net or a PM

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52D2C <<<<<<<<<<<<< no " P" qual in the MOS...hmmm ..interesting!!!

I dont have a "P" either. My MOS was 11B3VF7
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I dont have a "P" either. My MOS was 11B3VF7
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But you did prior to going to and Graduating from Ranger school, elsewise wouldn't you have the MOS of 11B3GF7, meaning that your a dirty, nasty, LEGG with a RANGER TAB? The point is that this guy never had the "P" as it is an ASI and I dont think that a Javelin Gunner Qual negates a Parachushist qual.

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That's assuming that the info TEXAN has uncovered in correct and accurate.

specialforcesmc@att.net or a PM

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Fairly confident that the info I found in solid as he is the ONLY GUY in the entire US that spells his name like that.

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I am not disputing your info, Tex... I just have personal experience with the record keeping system of the military and I can tell you that it is not always accurate or complete.
That is why I said "assuming" the info is correct. I'm sure you are passing on exactly what you received.

I'll leave this an open thread for another week and see what comes of it and then will act on the info, we have.
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Old 5 May 2008, 10:47
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I'll have to dig it up but I do have a manifest for JC, 2/75 into Rio Hato. My avatar pic is my squad the morning following.
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We have confirmed that the guy did not jump into Grenada. He was not a member of A Co 2/75 in 1983, and I would love to have a look at that set of Ranger School orders. If those are falsified, as I suspect, they can be sent to the FBI.

One of the younger Rangers will have to check the Just Cause manifests to confirm that he did not jump on that op.

Once the perpetrator hands you a DD214, let us know. If it supports his fantasies, it will certainly be faked. This guy can be prosecuted under the Stolen Valor statute, at minimum.
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Magician..send me an email at
specialforcesmc@att.net
Can provide that as an email attachment

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I am not disputing your info, Tex... I just have personal experience with the record keeping system of the military and I can tell you that it is not always accurate or complete.
That is why I said "assuming" the info is correct. I'm sure you are passing on exactly what you received.

I'll leave this an open thread for another week and see what comes of it and then will act on the info, we have.
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Roger that... and I agree, Mil Info is not always the greatest... just passing on what I found...

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I dont have a "P" either. My MOS was 11B3VF7
Infantry ABN RGR Trashfinder ...uh I mean Pathfinder :D
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Magician..send me an email at
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Can provide that as an email attachment
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The point is that this guy never had the "P" as it is an ASI and I dont think that a Javelin Gunner Qual negates a Parachushist qual.
My point is donít assume because you donít see it that it's not there. I also have my blue "Push to Talk Button" which I believe is H1, from my stint teaching at IOBC. IIRC you can only have list one secondary but I donít know which one has precedence.

Remember the time frame here is the early 80ís to 90ís when everything was paper entered by an underpaid govt contractor so not everything made it to your record, remember how often we had to review our 2A and 2-1, what was it like every six months.

That being said, yea this guy is full of shit and your right someone would have fixed the mistake if the P was missing especially if he was in Batt.
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Infantry ABN RGR Trashfinder ...uh I mean Pathfinder :D
HEY HEY HEY!!!....Thats BadgeFinder to you there Mister.:D
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You are cleared hot to burn him down, and I hope that you do so. If we can be of further assistance, just let us know. We are pleased to help.
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Actually you can 'display up to 9 characters on the PMOS, for example;

11B5VF7Q8

or OOZ5VW5C2

The Special Qualification Identifier (SQI) is in the 5th position ;"V" for ABN RGR

Positions 6-9 are for Additional Skill Identifiers

F7, W5, C2, etc...
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We still need younger Ranger brothers to check the Just Cause manifests to confirm that this guy never jumped into Rio Hato or Tocumen.

So far, all that our subject has provided to Bo is a set of orders depicting the award of the Ranger Tab, showing that his organization is A Co 2/75 in the Spring of 1983. I have seen these orders. They look good.

Now that I think on it, however, I can envision a set of events which explain this.

The guy may have been a SP4, or as portrayed on the orders, SPC. As a young E-4, he may have submitted a 4187 to go to 2/75, or he may have reenlisted for 2/75 as his unit of assignment, with Ranger School TDY en route.

He may have actually graduated from Ranger School. Like so many other legs who grew up in the regular Army, he may have believed that graduating from Ranger School entitled him to respect when he arrived at Bat. That would have been a grave misconception.

When he arrived at 2/75, he may have been culled during ROP, or he may have run afoul of the SP4 mafia at the unit itself. Knowing A Co at that time, if he was not highly squared away, wearing a Ranger tab would not have earned him any mercy. He could have been sent down the road in a heartbeat.

In any case, he may have been there for a period to be counted in weeks, or two or three months. I was TDY a lot myself that year, so he may have come and gone before I returned home. My brother gerryeric was TDY much of that year, as well. This guy may have come and gone while we were running around, and we may have missed him.
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You would think so and also the manifest for the Granada jump but it seems that it is not a record that is kept for documentation either. If someone does have that manifest I would appreciate a look see and let me know if his name appears on it. Several of the members of our organization have also been trying to get info on this individual without much success. He may appear as a SP5 or a SSG if his story line is true.
Magician said it all, but just letting you know about the manifests. Each Battalion keeps all of the manifests in their historical files with the S-1 shop. I even saw the Purple Heart orders for Specialist Philip Lear and Private First Class John Mark Price. As us 2nd Bat folks know, they were killed. As far as 2/75th goes, all of the manifests like that and orders were kept in the Awards office in a two drawer filing cabinet up in the S-1 Shop. Not that you will get a copy from them, because they have SSN numbers, but in the rare case that you need it, they are kept on file at the Battalion level. It might be possible that they would give you a copy of the sheet that has the name on it with the SSN blackened out. Never hurts to ask, they are used to questions like that from former guys that lost their copy.

As far as all other manifests, I know that the S-3 Shop used to keep all of the manifests as well, however I never got to see how they had their organized.

Granted, this was in the 90's, but I doubt much has changed as far as them keeping them. Since Battalion gets hit up all the time from within the Army about needing to produce those for folks that lost copies going before boards, I guarantee they would help square you away if someone was claiming what is not legit.


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Old 7 May 2008, 18:45
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Anybody got an up to date contact in S-1 that might be able to just take a look and see if this guy is on any of the Just Cause manifests? That would answer the question if he made the jump for the combat jump wings he wears.
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I'll have to dig it up but I do have a manifest for JC, 2/75 into Rio Hato. My avatar pic is my squad the morning following.
My apologies, but I only have the manifest for 2/75, A/C number 7 into Rio Hato. I was the AJ with Tom "Jack Bad" Braaten. I can say for a fact he was not on my aircraft.

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