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Old 23 August 2018, 09:09
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Hope I am not wasting your time here - do I need a script for hCG? Can I grab this from Amazon? They're advertising them as weight loss/ slenderizing drops.
I will talk about this all day long - too much bad info/bias/myth from the mainstream out there - keep asking.

hCG is by Rx and it is injected - DO NOT buy anything oral/transdermal from Amazon!

The one possible PITA with hCG is source and price - and by that I mean - it is available *as a name brand only* from any 'regular' pharmacy, but it is about $50 (or more! see screen shot) more expensive for 2,000 units *less*, than at a good compounding pharmacy. May not be a big deal if insurance covers it (I bet they don't though) - but when paying out of pocket, any savings helps. I get 12,000 units for $75 from Empower.
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:11
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I have a compounding pharmacy here in Vegas. I'll ask my doc. Thanks.
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:16
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That's great. I'm hoping I can connect with Poly's guy before too long.
When ready, PM me first.
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:19
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Are those injections for "life" now? I was told that once you start, you stay on them since they curtail your bodies normal testosterone from being produced.
HRT is for life - don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Your nuts don't magically return to pumping out 25 year old levels, when your 50.
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:33
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I got a second opinion from my family doc that diagnosed me first. He said that her opinion was completely wrong, and taking me off would be “fucking dumb” (he’s a cool doc). So I’m now I am getting it through my work insurance for 10 bucks a month; 200mg every 10 days.

I’m not bashing her opinion because that the hell do I know, but it shows how each doc either doesn’t understand treatment options or maybe my natural levels would have stayed up, but he says he strongly doubted it. How can it go back, he said, your natural production is gone. With that being said, I absolutely need to talk to him about HGC.
He is 100%. You found a good one, keep him! Your first one is a good example of what people run into.

Hope he gets you on hCG, Leutinizing Hormone does a body good.

Also, don't forget about DHEA and Pregnenolone. Both are OTC Supps from Life Extension. 100mg Preg before bed orally, and 25mg DHEA 2x/day Sublingual Tabs. Obviously it would be best to pull DHEA-S(ulfate) on your next blood draw. DHEA production declines as we age as well. Preg is the "Master Hormone" and insures there's a good supply to make whatever the body needs.
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:39
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Low T is a real problem with high mileage SOF guys and many require TRT. Unfortunately guys abused the system in the past so USASOC released an Androgen Deficiency Clinical Practice Guideline (CPG) to help guide providers through the initial evaluation and treatment of patients.
Nice post. What a PITA - so if a guy is 310, they say he is "good"???? Is SOF testing for Testosterone use during the screening for illicit drugs? Seems expensive. This is a good example of the ridiculousness of US policy on a naturally produced hormone that makes men, "men" - don't want our SOF guys being all "manly" now...
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:40
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To dam old to worry about it, beside I have to fine some young lady that would like to have a Sugar daddy

But you younger guys go for it.
How old? You don't want a better quality of life in your remaining years (and possibly extend them)?
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:42
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Poly could probably hit more home runs than Mark McGuire and Jose Canseco combined with all the supplements he's on.
Nah - replacement is replacement to high normal range. I couldn't hit home runs at 25 either
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:46
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ESTRODIOL (E2)

Are you guys getting your E2 pulled using the LC/MS Sensitive method? I don't see anyone mentioning any Aromatase Inhibitors like Anastrozole (Arimidex, most common) or Exemestane (Aromasin, less likely)?

You want E2 (IMO, and based on All Cause Mortality studies) somewhere in the 30's. E2 affects lipid values, joint lubrication, muscle building, and sex drive.
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Old 23 August 2018, 09:59
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This study doesn't bode well for DHEA.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2574781/
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ESTRODIOL (E2)

Are you guys getting your E2 pulled using the LC/MS Sensitive method? I don't see anyone mentioning any Aromatase Inhibitors like Anastrozole (Arimidex, most common) or Exemestane (Aromasin, less likely)?

You want E2 (IMO, and based on All Cause Mortality studies) somewhere in the 30's. E2 affects lipid values, joint lubrication, muscle building, and sex drive.
I am. I honestly just forget the name of the Aromatase Inhibitor that I'm on. I'll post up my lab results next time I get one done which is in a month and a half or so to see what your thoughts are.
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I got checked last time around and was good. Even missing one, must be all the porn I watch lol.
I'm lucky, I actually have a good VA PCP.
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Old 23 August 2018, 10:21
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This study doesn't bode well for DHEA.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2574781/
There's a lab range for DHEA-S, I prefer to be near the top (375) and let my body have the material to do with, what it wants. I was 139 before supplementation, 325 after. It's OTC, not a drug, with drug like effects. That study also used generally "I feel great anyway" people:

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Several limitations of this study were also considered. By design, this trial assessed the benefits of DHEA supplementation in a healthy sample of men and women. With an average Modified Mini-Mental State Examination score of 96, the participants in this study were limited to those who were not cognitively impaired. Effects of DHEA supplementation may be different for those not cognitively intact or scoring poorly on cognitive function tests at a baseline evaluation. Likewise, levels of depressed mood were low, and life satisfaction scores were fairly high in this cohort. It is unknown whether long-term DHEA supplementation would have an effect in clinically depressed individuals or those with a low quality of life.
100 Tabs (50 days) is under $8 at LEF with the VIP bulk discount - and it doesn't *hurt* you. I don't see the logic in replacing one hormone (testosterone) to youthful levels, and not all the other ones that you can?
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Old 23 August 2018, 10:25
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I am. I honestly just forget the name of the Aromatase Inhibitor that I'm on. I'll post up my lab results next time I get one done which is in a month and a half or so to see what your thoughts are.
I feel great in the 30's. 500mcg of Generic Anastrozole, 2x/week on shot days. Lipids are awesome, HDL through the roof!
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There's a lab range for DHEA-S, I prefer to be near the top (375) and let my body have the material to do with, what it wants. I was 139 before supplementation, 325 after. It's OTC, not a drug, with drug like effects. That study also used generally "I feel great anyway" people:



100 Tabs (50 days) is under $8 at LEF with the VIP bulk discount - and it doesn't *hurt* you. I don't see the logic in replacing one hormone (testosterone) no youthful levels, and not all the other ones that you can?
I was going to comment on the subjectivity of that test. I'm still going to give it a try. I appreciate the data points.
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ESTRODIOL (E2)

Are you guys getting your E2 pulled using the LC/MS Sensitive method? I don't see anyone mentioning any Aromatase Inhibitors like Anastrozole (Arimidex, most common) or Exemestane (Aromasin, less likely)?

You want E2 (IMO, and based on All Cause Mortality studies) somewhere in the 30's. E2 affects lipid values, joint lubrication, muscle building, and sex drive.

Maybe a dumb question. My wife takes Estradiol for hormone therapy. So, it's just not a woman thing?

She has also had issues with low cortisol output.
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Guys this dude is Dr. Jeffry Life

(he is fucking EIGHTY YEARS OLD)

https://www.drlife.com/meet-dr-life/


I "found" him about three of four years ago. I thought what kinda bullshit is this?

Then I did some research, Polypro is spot on. I have only talked to one person about this stuff due to somewhat embarrassment.
I use Sermorelin Acetate subq every night before bed. It's a peptide (the only one FDA approved for use in humans) I get it from Empower Pharmacy. It stimulates your pituitary to do what it did when we were young & in our primes.

I am a very firm believer in peptides & their benefits. The body building community has been on to them for many years. There is a bill being presented before congress to make the sale/distribution of peptides illegal. I can only imagine that big pharma doesn't want folks to have the ability to start tripping up father time, because THEY WORK.

There are may peptides that have amazing uses for us, aging or otherwise. Do some Google-fu on Frag 176-191 and see what you find (that one works wonders BTW)

Additionally I take DHEA daily, DIM (estrogen blocker), a good multi vitamin, 6mg of Magnesium, Tonalin @ 1000mg, I take GABA at night before bed. I feel fantastic. I also try to drink copious amounts of water daily as most of us are NOT drinking enough H2o
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Old 27 August 2018, 10:53
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Maybe a dumb question. My wife takes Estradiol for hormone therapy. So, it's just not a woman thing?

She has also had issues with low cortisol output.
You are correct - both men and women have the same hormones, just at different levels. When women go through Menopause, *their* sex hormones (produced mainly in the Ovaries) stop being produced, just like ours stop being produced. Neither are healthy. Our estrogen is produced *from* Testosterone, when it is converted by an Enzyme called "Aromatase" - which mostly resides in fat tissue - fatter you are, more Estrogen you usually have. The more Testosterone you have, the more there is to convert. Not everyone needs an AI, but that's what the Sensitive E2 blood test is for (the regular Immunoassay for E2 sucks for men - it picks up other stuff and can give a false read, high or low).
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Old 27 August 2018, 11:08
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Then I did some research, Polypro is spot on. I have only talked to one person about this stuff due to somewhat embarrassment.
I use Sermorelin Acetate subq every night before bed. It's a peptide (the only one FDA approved for use in humans) I get it from Empower Pharmacy. It stimulates your pituitary to do what it did when we were young & in our primes.

I am a very firm believer in peptides & their benefits. There is a bill being presented before congress to make the sale/distribution of peptides illegal. I can only imagine that big pharma doesn't want folks to have the ability to start tripping up father time, because THEY WORK.

There are many peptides that have amazing uses for us, aging or otherwise.

Additionally I take DHEA daily, DIM (estrogen blocker)...
Peptides are awesome. All they are, are sequenced Amino Acids - MOST can't be patented because they are produced naturally (BPC-157 is a great example of this). The problem becomes source quality. I'm usually against the FDA getting involved, but it would be nice if Peptides could be treated like OTC medication like NSAIDs, Cold Medicine, etc... This way, they have to be exactly what they say they are, but not crazy expensive like Rx drugs...

Semorelin is awesome (Growth Hormone-Releasing Hormone ). You can actually get Ibutamoren (MK-677) from doctor's as well - it's an oral which acts on the Ghrelin receptor to produce GH. What are you paying for that Semorelin?

There are some GHRP's (Growth Hormone releasing Peptides) like GHRP 2 & 6 - but again - source matters - especially when injecting.
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Finally got my 12 week supply. 200MG Cypionate x 12 vials. I'll inject 1/2 a vial now and the other 1/2 in 3.5 days. Is it better to inject at night before bed or in the AM?
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