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Old 20 June 2018, 01:30
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Police say no deal on California

California is putting LEO's in danger if this passes

Police say no deal on California bill to restrict their use of force
June 19, 2018 11:12 AM
Updated 6 hours 7 minutes ago
Law enforcement organizations are unlikely to compromise with advocates of a proposal this session to restrict the circumstances under which police officers could use deadly force.

Their staunch opposition significantly diminishes the prospects for Assembly Bill 931, which would increase the state standard for lethal use of force from "reasonable" to "necessary," to become law. Though the measure on Tuesday passed its first policy committee, it faces a lengthy and complicated path ahead in a Legislature historically hesitant to cross law enforcement.

At the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing, representatives for rank-and-file police and their management said their objections to the proposed change on use of force could not be resolved by an offer to provide funding to retrain officers.

"We agree that more training can result in better outcomes, but there is a fundamental disagreement about raising the standard above what the Supreme Court has said," Jonathan Feldman, a lobbyist for the California Police Chiefs Association, told The Bee.

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Old 20 June 2018, 02:00
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Wow. What a ludicrously slippery slope that is. And I have to laugh at the "increase in training". In my experience, it would be a powerpoint presentation telling Police that they are horrible people, and this change would benefit the community, with zero actual "training".
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Old 23 June 2018, 03:37
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It's similar to Chicago, and I suspect most major urban areas, they're de facto foreign colonies. As such, the populations do not want to be "policed" by what are essentially alien legacies of the displaced, formerly dominant culture/population.

This is just lawfare to make things difficult for that legacy police force, as a method of getting rid of it. S/F....Ken M
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Old 23 June 2018, 07:48
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Originally Posted by EchoFiveMike View Post
...This is just lawfare to make things difficult for that legacy police force, as a method of getting rid of it. S/F....Ken M

I agree.
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Old 15 July 2018, 18:34
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May as well just train police to run, hide, fight.
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Old 15 July 2018, 19:33
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Horrible law. Maybe CA LEO can just use rape whistles or throw insults at perps.

Oh wait. Both are probably illegal in California.
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Old 16 July 2018, 08:21
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Maye a course on using really stern words to gain compliance over subjects using deadly force.
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Old 16 July 2018, 08:46
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I wonder who would decide what "necessary" means in lethal force encounters since the overwhelming majority of jurors have never even been close to having one.

Simply a way to let the bad guys do what they want with impunity again....
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Old 16 July 2018, 09:34
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Runs directly contrary to Graham vs Connor.
"The real problem was being able to stick it out, to sit in an office under the orders of a wee man in a dark gray suit and look out of the window and recall the bush country, the waving palms, the smell of sweat and cordite, the grunts of the men hauling jeeps over the river crossings, the copper-tasting fears just before the attack, and the wild, cruel joy of being alive afterward. To remember, and then go back to the ledgers and the commuter train, that was impossible. He knew he would eat his heart out if it ever came to that."

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