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Old 14 November 2016, 22:33
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Dual Process for DOD and Dept of State Contract - Legit?

I'm looking for a little reassurance in my decision making process and would appreciate any similar experiences / advice.

The recruiter that i'm working with has offered me the position of internal Roving Security Guard Team Leader which is apparently a DOD contract. The position that I would ideally like to have is an Administrative and Logistics Security Specialist Manager position, which is apparently a Department of State contract.

My recruiter is telling that it takes 6-9 months to process for the Dept of State contract, which I 100% believe. The part that i'm unsure about is that he says that taking the DOD contract will increase my chances of getting the Dept of State contract by about 80%.

He has reassured me over and over that I would do one tour in this position before moving to the Dept of State contract.

If this is even remotely true, then I have no reservations what so ever. Going to Afghanistan for the DOD position is not a pay raise or even an increase in responsibility from what i'm doing here in the states and my fear is that i'm being talked into taking this position through false hope of something better.

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Old 14 November 2016, 22:39
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Apologies, but I left out the part where the recruiter is saying he will dual process me for both positions at the same time and the DOD contract is a placeholder until the other comes through.
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Old 14 November 2016, 23:11
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Do they both require a clearance? You can only have one clearance open at a time.
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Old 14 November 2016, 23:30
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Do they both require a clearance? You can only have one clearance open at a time.
Not true.
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Old 15 November 2016, 00:10
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Not true.
OPM will allow two investigations open at the same time?
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Old 14 November 2016, 23:21
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Yes, both require a DOD Secret. I currently have an active TS.
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Old 14 November 2016, 23:32
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Yes, both require a DOD Secret. I currently have an active TS.
DoS requires their own clearance. The wait time is them processing your clearance. They aim for completion within 120 days but that's not always the case. You have to weight the pros and cons of each contract and make a decision. I suggest reading some of the older threads on contracts and DoS to help you understand the process a bit.
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Old 15 November 2016, 00:32
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I don't see how working as a security guard on a DoD contract could help you get a position as an ALSS on a DoS contract. Reading the qualifications for ALSS, there is nothing in there regarding security experience.

If he's saying that the DoD Secret will help with the DoS Secret then I think the TS you already have would do more for you in that regards.

If you have no interest in the DoD job and would only do it to help you get the DoS job then it's my opinion that you should just keep your current job and apply for the ALSS position.
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Old 15 November 2016, 00:09
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OK, I didn't realize that DOS required their own clearance. I'm sure each government organization is a little different, but I do know there are circumstances when you can carry two clearances at one time.

I only say that because I currently have an active DOD TS and a DOE Q and have for several years.

I appreciate the advice and guidance. I will take some time to learn more about the DOS contracts. I'm thinking i'll take my chances and give this position a shot. Even if this DOS position doesn't work out, it'll give me an opportunity to get over there, work hard and start making contacts. If everything I have read is true a solid network is one of the most important aspects of working in this field.

Thanks again for taking the time to give me a little direction.
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Old 15 November 2016, 00:17
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I can speak from experience in saying that I had a DOD Secret through the Army Reserves and when I got my contract position with DOE I was processed for a DOE Q.

For about 2 years I held both DOE Q and DOD Secret. When my DOD Secret was up for reinvestigation, the reserves just pulled over my Q and gave me a DOD TS instead of processing the reinvestigation for my Secret.

So, for the last couple of years I have carried active DOD TS and DOE Q at the same time.

That's all I can say for certain.
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Old 15 November 2016, 00:31
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Yes, you can HOLD two different clearances at the same time, I currently do. But you cannot have TWO INVESTIGATIONS OPEN at the same time, no? As in, the DOS and DOD cannot both be investigating me to grant a clearance at the same time.

Football Batt would be the SME here.
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Old 15 November 2016, 22:17
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Yes, you can HOLD two different clearances at the same time, I currently do. But you cannot have TWO INVESTIGATIONS OPEN at the same time, no? As in, the DOS and DOD cannot both be investigating me to grant a clearance at the same time.

Football Batt would be the SME here.
multiple agencies can run BI concurrently. Happens all the time with federal law enforcement applicants. USSS runs their own, HSI runs their own, DSS runs their own, FBI, you get the point.
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Old 15 November 2016, 00:44
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Hold two clearances, yes. As far the two investigations at the same time, I have no clue and would just sound ignorant to answer any other way.

I thought the same thing Scoutsout. The recruiter made it sound like the company pulls their quality people who meet requirements from the DOD contract to fill the DoS contracts. Which could be the case (maybe?).

This is why I posted in the first place, because I didn't want to take a position based on something a recruiter told me. Heck, for all I know they have had pay cuts, high turn over rates, low morale and just need bodies. I didn't want to end up in a bad situation because I didn't do my due diligence.

However, it could be legit. I was hoping someone had experienced something similar, but from these responses, i'm guessing it's not common practice and I need to dig a little deeper.
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Old 15 November 2016, 22:15
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I have a DOD TS-SCI and a DOE Q. Because I already possessed a DOD TS-SCI at the time I completed the SF-86 with the DOE for the Q, my Q only took 2 weeks from the date I submitted the SF-86 on the OPM website to get adjudicated and given to me.

So, having said that, maybe the DOS will do/can do the same sort of thing. I don't know.
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Old 16 November 2016, 13:24
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I'd like to take a moment to thank you all for your input in both the forums and the PM's I have received regarding this situation.

After taking in all of the wisdom and experience provided, I have decided to pass on the DOD contract and wait out the DoS contract and continue to pursue other contract opportunities.

Hopefully, I'll come across something that fit's my skill sets and experiences.

Again, thank you all.
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Old 17 November 2016, 14:11
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You guys are not thinking about this from a recruiter's perspective. The applicant already has a DOD TS so there is no investigation required. He can simply confirm the clearance in JPAS and plug the applicant into the open DOD contract slot.

The recruiter is telling the truth regarding the DOS ALSSM slot, it will take months. At least 3-4 in the base case. As a recruiter, we know that hanging someone on the line for that long increases the chances of never getting the applicant boots on ground down range. Solution, fill a slot on the DOD contract and begin the processing for DOS.

And if you need to motivate him by mentioning it will help his DOS chances? Hey, it's not a lie, its just not the whole truth...
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Old 17 November 2016, 15:05
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You are absolutely correct. From the recruiting stand point it makes perfect sense. I wouldn't have minded taking the DOD position while I wait out a better position, but not for less money than I make here in the states.

The half truth almost caused me to make a decision that would have me working OCONUS, for less money, with less responsibility and basically no increased chance of getting the better position.

From a business perspective, luring people into position under these circumstances could potentially create an environment where there is no trust between the organization and the employees, low moral and high turnover rates.

Doesn't seem like a good deal for anyone. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 17 November 2016, 15:40
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Having said that - My recruiter has been great. I don't feel like he is telling me anything that he doesn't believe to be true and he isn't pressuring me into anything. He's simply giving me options to work with, decisions to make and I have had nothing but good experiences with him thus far.
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Old 19 November 2016, 11:52
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Its only a half truth in that you already qualify for the ALSSM position regardless. It does help put more "meat" on your WPS BIO which will increase your chances of getting approved, and maybe quicker.

If this is your first contract, the exp gained will def help you if/when you reach the WPS gig. Having worked both, knowing how the other half lives helps maintain perspective throughout your tour.

Good luck however you go.
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Old 19 November 2016, 12:06
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You are absolutely correct. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer in this case. This is my first OCONUS contract, which is the main reason I was seriously considering taking it.

I sure wish the pay was a little better. That would make the decision a little easier.

I truly appreciate you sharing your experiences and viewpoints.
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