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Old 6 April 2017, 21:27
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Russian Active Measures

An interesting article indicated Russian involvement in stirring up dissension in the US, capitalizing upon current events.
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Old 10 April 2017, 11:48
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Looks like most of issues they are trying to influence would be to the advantage of Democrats.
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Old 10 April 2017, 14:56
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There was an article in a counter terror type magazine years ago around 2002 that said Russian spying had been ramping up to cold war levels. I would like to think we have similar progams in Russia in regards to subversion but I really have no idea. They seem to be better at the IO campaign.
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Old 10 April 2017, 15:54
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^^^ Sign me up for one honeypot, please.
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Old 10 April 2017, 16:18
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Originally Posted by DirtyDog0311 View Post
^^^ Sign me up for one honeypot, please.
Yes, test my loyalty.
"The real problem was being able to stick it out, to sit in an office under the orders of a wee man in a dark gray suit and look out of the window and recall the bush country, the waving palms, the smell of sweat and cordite, the grunts of the men hauling jeeps over the river crossings, the copper-tasting fears just before the attack, and the wild, cruel joy of being alive afterward. To remember, and then go back to the ledgers and the commuter train, that was impossible. He knew he would eat his heart out if it ever came to that."

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Old 10 April 2017, 16:45
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Having a Russian boogeyman lurking in the shadows makes me feel 21 all over again.
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Old 10 April 2017, 19:14
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Its funny how the socialist sympathizers on the left of the US political spectrum are trying so hard to create a boogeyman to rally against.
For decades the treasonists on the left have made very effort to make America more like our enemies and now suddenly these dirty vodka drinking russian bastards are guilty of the worst crimes imaginable against mankind...
...the refusal to display public adulation for a clinton

I doubt the Russians ever really "quit" spying on the US. They just got more discreet about it.
At the height of the cold war there was no need to be sneaky about it - you are the enemy, I am collecting on you. Everything since then is nothing more than the international equivalence of good table manners.

...dont chew with your mouth open
...dont put your elbows on the table
...stick that fucking pinky up when you drink your tea
...dont let your friends know that you are STILL spying on them

Where was all this anti-Russian sentiment when we still had missiles pointed at each other?
Where was all this grief when we were bragging about a reset?
It was being targeted at Americans that didnt think you should burn a flag or people that voiced a moral opinion about how their taxes where being spent.

Nothing new out of the treasonists on the left side of american politics
The left is a treasonous movement. The Democrats became a treasonous organization when they fell under the sway of a movement that rejects our system of government, its laws, and its elections. Now their treason is coming to a head.
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Old 12 April 2017, 12:14
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Excellent. It aptly reinforces two points:

Russia plays either side should the contest change—backing an individual candidate or party so long as they support a Kremlin policy position and then turning against the same party should their position shift against Russia.
Everyone is acting like Russia only backed Trump, but they will NOT put all their trust in one candidate; if there were contacts between Trumps side and Russia, there most certainly were contacts between the Dems and Russia too, as a means of hedging their bets.

Russia certainly seeks to promote Western candidates sympathetic to their worldview and foreign-policy objectives. But winning a single election is not their end goal. Russian Active Measures hope to topple democracies through the pursuit of five complementary objectives:
Undermine citizen confidence in democratic governance
Foment and exacerbate divisive political fractures
Erode trust between citizens and elected officials and democratic institutions
Popularize Russian policy agendas within foreign populations
Create general distrust or confusion over information sources by blurring the lines between fact and fiction
Again, the current thought process that Russia backed *only* Trump in the hopes of finding a willing political partner and making some political gains is foolish. Why would Russia trust any American to do them favors later down the road? It's known the end game is a decline in American power, and the means of doing so is, as I've said, to play both sides against each other, polarize the country to the extreme, create a political stalemate which forces inaction, and/or create so much political chaos the country is so busy looking inward they can't or won't respond to outside threats or actions.

And as far as Trump goes, maybe he knew Russia was aiding the process, and if so, was smarter at harnessing and utilizing it to win the election, even if he had no intention of repaying the 'favor', and this could explain the strike in Syria, which could be seen as a cutting of ties, however loose those ties needed to be. After all, all it would take is for him to understand what Russia is doing, utilize his social media power to play a similar game, and harness their activity to his purposes; no official contact would have to be made.
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