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Old 20 November 2019, 08:26
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What reticle do you use?
I got the Guerilla BDC. I own Strelok Professional, which has the Swampfox Reticles. I then use Strelok to input "my" preferred Ammo, Velocity, BC, and HOB - and Strelok remakes the reticle with your custom BDC points. Then I print a circular copy and put it in the scope cap.

This is for 69gr Federal Gold Medal Match (GM223)
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Old 20 November 2019, 09:26
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i might have to take a harder look at swampfox..

the tomahawk has 4.5" of eye relief at its highest setting.. and 5" at its lowest.. as opposed to the vortex strike eagle having 3.5" at its highest setting..

it looks like it has all of the same features of the strike eagle.. and its MSRP is substantially lower..

and the 50,000 round guarantee is attractive..

I know this optic was primarily designed for "tactical" use and 3 gun type stuff.. but Im thinking it might be an excellent low cost option for a big bore bolt gun like a .375 H&H or a .416 Rem Mag.. assuming it can handle the abusive recoil those guns produce..

Big bores are normally used for "dangerous game" and are rarely shot at more than 100 yards (much more often than not they are shot at game thats less than 50 yards away).. so low power variables are highly attractive..

the problem is low cost low power variables with extended eye relief that can stand up to the recoil of a big bore are not very common at all.. youre typically left with only very expensive options like the Swarovski EE 1-4x, or the Zeiss conquest 1-4x, etc.. (there are some reasonable leupold and nikon options out there.. but they lack some of the features of the swampfox and are a bit more expensive.. although not prohibitively expensive)..

I've got a 1-6x strike eagle on my 416 right now.. but that 3.5" makes me a bit nervous when shooting full power loads on the 6x setting.. having an extra inch of eye relief is very attractive..
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Old 20 November 2019, 09:39
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i might have to take a harder look at swampfox..
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already a "member" on EV.. thanks for the heads up..

that brings the price down to under $200 for the 1-4x tomahawk..

that sounds like a thanksgiving day present to myself...
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Bought a Used Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5 x 20mm MR/T M2 dials with Illum. SPR reticle off of Ebay for $416. Elevation dial was for a 62 Gr. I had Leupold make a dial for the MK262 77Gr. Tested both of the ammo this past weekend out to 600 yds and it was very easy to keep within a minute at 5X. 77Gr was really tight. Extremely pleased. Set up is for my Son. His Birthday is on the 26th.
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Old 27 November 2019, 09:23
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Well shit...

Contacted swampfox.. they advise the tomahawk will not stand up to the recoil of a big bore..

Still might get one.. looks like a great AR option.. I've got a vortex strike eagle on one of my AR's that I could re-dedicate as a back up big bore scope.. (I've put probably 50 rounds through my .416 with the strike eagle mounted on it in the past... no problems..)...
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Well shit...

Contacted swampfox.. they advise the tomahawk will not stand up to the recoil of a big bore..

Still might get one.. looks like a great AR option.. I've got a vortex strike eagle on one of my AR's that I could re-dedicate as a back up big bore scope.. (I've put probably 50 rounds through my .416 with the strike eagle mounted on it in the past... no problems..)...
Well, at least they were up front - pretty rare these days.
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My brother has a Bushnell AR15 scope - it is a 1x4 and he paid less than 200 bucks for it. it is actually a pretty decent AR15 plunking scope and what is more important to some folks is that it works and looks cool on the gun - gotta say - for the price and intended use, it was a helluva good buy. I wouldn't buy one to use in 3-gun or as the main optic on a hogkillin' spree but I didnt hate it.

I have that scope that I used on my .223 AR for a while and it worked ok. The glass isn't the best and once it got cloudy, shady, or close to sunset, it was more difficult to use without illumination. It is a very good value scope for daytime range use or non-rugged hunting.

I did switch it over to my .458 AR and I am now suspicious of it holding zero as I the POI seems to wonder around to the left on this rifle. I've remounted it made sure it was guddentite but still have the same effect.

I'll be switching to a Votex soon.

Short of the long is good value for smaller calibers. May not hold zero under heavy recoil.
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Ack. Just discovered this thread.

Nikon is getting out of the scope business. Pretty good glass for rock bottom prices. If you can still find some.

I snagged one of these at Christmas for < $300. (Actually it was a gift.)
NIKON BLACK FORCE 1000 SCOPE 1-4X24MM

ETA: I plan on running this on my .458 SOCOM.
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There are some big bore guys on another forum that swear by the Nikon 1-4 black force.. they’ve been mounting them on 458 Win Mags and 416 Rem Mags with a lot of success
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There are some big bore guys on another forum that swear by the Nikon 1-4 black force.. they’ve been mounting them on 458 Win Mags and 416 Rem Mags with a lot of success
Liking this. Good price as well, and good reticle.
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Vortex PST Gen II 1-6x. Street price is just under $600. Slightly heavy..
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Old 2 February 2020, 18:52
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Just grabbed me a SwampFox Tomahawk 1-4
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Just grabbed me a SwampFox Tomahawk 1-4
Arrowhead is the new hotness, but I don't know if you were trying to stick to a hard budget number or wanted 4x max. Tomahawk is still nice though - mine was almost zeroed out of the box, only had to turn it a few clicks, LOL! Strelock has the reticles, if you want your own BDC.

https://swampfoxoptics.com/arrowhead...escope-series/

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Is the only real difference between arrowhead and tomahawk the magnification? Or is the arrowhead more durable. I find that for all of my hunting and defense guns 4x is more than enough and usually Just keep it at 1-2x. Been impressed with the Tomahawk 1-4x.

Liking the Aero precision scope mounts as well, keeps the weight down.
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Old 3 February 2020, 15:11
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Is the only real difference between arrowhead and tomahawk the magnification? Or is the arrowhead more durable.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Sw...37086/?page=20

Read every post by That_Guy_Mike for all info on Swampfox - he works there.
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Anyone try out yet the cantilever mount swamp fox makes ?
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Sw...37086/?page=20

Read every post by That_Guy_Mike for all info on Swampfox - he works there.
Here is a response I received from Rob at Swampfox in regards to my question of if the Arrowhead 1-6 offers any improvements over the 1-4 Tomahawk other than a bit of increased magnification:



Hi Xxxx,



Below are Key features the arrowhead has to offer over the tomahawk.



Stricter precision tolerances throughout the magnification range- this provides more consistency and accuracy. The Tomahawk is still very accurate, but precision shooting is all about controlling tiny dimensional tolerances throughout the movement of the internal optics
Duty Grade durability- harder internal components
Locking Turrets
Improved illumination
Two NV settings
Off-notches between each illumination setting
Improvements on the overall optical system
Brighter image
Bigger FOV on the 1-6x24
Slightly more forgivable eye box


Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything else I can help with.



Best,

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Anyone try out yet the cantilever mount swamp fox makes ?
If you're talking about the Independence Mount, it depends on how you shoot. If you are NTCH (Nose To Charging Handle), it probably won't work - Grab an Aero Precision SPR Mount. If your cheek is farther back, it may be fine. If you shoot passive NODs, get the Aero Mount, or similar (LaRue LT204 is a good value).
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Ordered a 1-6x Arrowhead and Independence Mount. Really good Veteran discount. Will see how it compares to the Tomahawk 1-4 have played with.
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