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Old 15 December 2017, 19:51
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Question Handgun lights and Picatinny rails?

It seems to me that just about every new handgun to hit the market in the last few years is equipped with a Picatinny rail for mounting a light or other accessory.

Aside from specialised military and law enforcement applications, is having a light on a handgun really that useful or practical?

Would you decline to buy a new handgun because it did not have a Picatinny rail?
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Old 15 December 2017, 19:56
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Aside from specialised military and law enforcement applications, is having a light on a handgun really that useful or practical?
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Would you decline to buy a new handgun because it did not have a Picatinny rail?
I suspect you do not know what a Picatinny rail is. Your bio states "Gunsmith." Really?
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Old 15 December 2017, 20:06
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I suspect you do not know what a Picatinny rail is. Your bio states "Gunsmith." Really?
MIL-STD-1913 rail

Perhaps I should have used "accessory rail" or "light mount".
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Old 15 December 2017, 20:13
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Not that many handguns have Picatinny rails. Most have Weaver rails, or their own rail system. Weapons with a true Picatinny can be a PIA when buying accessories (my P220 Combat, for example).

Most law enforcement and military orgs require rails on the guns they purchase. Most major gun companies make a large part of their product line based off their submissions for LE/mil contracts. Major companies like to make as much of their product line as possible using the same equipment. Like it or not, rails are here to stay.

I have actually bought specific guns just because they did not have a rail (my M11-A1).
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Old 15 December 2017, 20:16
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Folks will disagree with the following, and they are wrong. Any home defense weapon needs a light to accompany it, and I prefer that light to be mounted to the weapon. As a cop, I always used a weapon-mounted light on my pistol. As a SF soldier, I did not use a light on my pistol. I use the right tool for the job at hand.
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Old 15 December 2017, 20:28
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A rail doesn't influence my decision to purchase a weapon in anyway.
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Old 15 December 2017, 21:36
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Every-day (seems like) there is more and more tech out here that allows non-railed weapons to fit a light or laser/ or both.

Lights and lasers are very popular. And important too, as pointed out by gavin.

Not having a rail wouldn't influence my decision.
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Old 15 December 2017, 22:56
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Agreed. And we can probably start digging and find numerous stories of people who shot others (especially so-called intruders) who turned out to be family and friends because they did not identify them.

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Folks will disagree with the following, and they are wrong. Any home defense weapon needs a light to accompany it, and I prefer that light to be mounted to the weapon. As a cop, I always used a weapon-mounted light on my pistol. As a SF soldier, I did not use a light on my pistol. I use the right tool for the job at hand.
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Old 15 December 2017, 23:07
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When I bought my Beretta PX-4, I was specifically looking for a railed gun.

There's a big section in the 1911 thread where I'm looking to put a light on my Kimber non-railed gun (and I'm hoping Santa will bring me a TLR-6).

I might buy another 1911 or two just because I like them. But my carry guns from here on out will have a rail and a light.
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Old 16 December 2017, 09:33
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I suspect you do not know what a Picatinny rail is.
It is a common use term though incorrect.
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Old 16 December 2017, 22:32
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For those that have an AR and do not want or need a rail, but want to mount a light here is something my buddy at LAPD designed and patented. This will work with the Streamlight TLR series lights as well as Surefire X series.

This was introduced about 5 years ago and recently reintroduced through Arisaka Defense. There are thousands of units out there in use with LE, DoD and civilians.

https://arisakadefense.com/products/...1913-fsb-mount
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Old 16 December 2017, 23:46
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Absolutely no experience with having a light attached to a weapon, but I would think that having a remote switch (on/off) would be a lot easier than having to release your (proper) grip on the non-hand gun to activate the light.

When I feel the need to prowl around my little AO, I have a very bright little flashlight, with my thumb on the button. It seems to me that a quick off is pretty important, so as to not point to your location.
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Old 17 December 2017, 00:21
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Absolutely no experience with having a light attached to a weapon, but I would think that having a remote switch (on/off) would be a lot easier than having to release your (proper) grip on the non-hand gun to activate the light.

When I feel the need to prowl around my little AO, I have a very bright little flashlight, with my thumb on the button. It seems to me that a quick off is pretty important, so as to not point to your location.
A lot of lights the on/off is easy to reach with the index finger, some click, some rotate. . .assuming you don't have your finger on the trigger.

Viridian has one which I think though neat, has gotten shit reviews for reliability. It places a magnet within/out the holster and as you draw, turns the weapon light on.

And nitecore for instance has a nice little remote wire/switch that you can locate anywhere you have room on your long gun.
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Old 17 December 2017, 01:40
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I use Surefire lights (XC-1 on a P220 Carry, XC-1B on a G19, X-300s on a G17 and a G19) and Streamlights (TLR-1 HLs on a P2022 and a P220 Combat) on my pistols, and have zero complaints about any of those. I can easily activate with either primary hand or support hand, and light NDs aren't an issue. Light NDs are a problem in my line of work...
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Old 19 December 2017, 07:20
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Do you remove batteries when storing? I've seen what a battery can do if left in a device too long.

The sight I've got says 50,000 hours, that is a little confusing as to if it means use or just being in the device.

Google search is pretty much 'maybe turn off when not in use'. Mine says it will turn on/off by it's self.
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Old 19 December 2017, 08:29
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Streamlight TLR-1 with their Contour Remote, on a Glock 19.

Makes for a great easy-to-use combo that requires little training to become accustomed to. Middle finger toggles the light on simply by squeezing the grip. This DOES change your firing hand grip slightly, but not to an objectionable amount.

Alternatively you can reach forward with a finger on either side to toggle on / off.



(pic is of a G17, my setup is the same light and remote on a G19)
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Old 19 December 2017, 10:03
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Yes, I believe a good home defense pistol should have a way of mounting a light or laser light combo. Having a light mounted allows for a better grip, as you wont be handling a separate flashlight. Plus, the on/off switch is within fingertip reach.

I've been a fan of the Viridian X5L for a couple of years now. I have one on my G21 and one I can put on my G19 (gonna need a new holster from litepath for that ).

I have an Inforce light for one of my ARs, but for some reason the battery drains within a week of absolutely no use. It's a nice slim package, but unreliable when I need it. I know they have a lifetime warranty, so I'll need to see if they'll honor it.
I prefer Streamlight over Surefire simply for the cost factor. Same boom for the buck IMO.
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Old 19 December 2017, 10:36
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Why wouldn't you want to see what you are about to shoot?
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Old 19 December 2017, 13:13
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I have a Surefire light on my AR and a TLR-1 on my EDC g19. I also have a Nitecore MT-2a I carry in my left front pocket.
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Old 20 December 2017, 11:54
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I keep a surefire XC1 on my Glock 19 carry gun. My Litepath made custom holster is very comfortable. I like having the light even if I'm not likely to be shooting in total darkness. In a semi-dark situation, it can help you see if a threat is armed.

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