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Old 2 February 2018, 21:47
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I guess I’m fortunate that I’m still in a position where I never have to use a public range.
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Old 3 February 2018, 08:29
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I guess I’m fortunate that I’m still in a position where I never have to use a public range.
You should go to one and have a good chuckle.
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Old 3 February 2018, 08:59
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I shoot a local IDPA match sometimes. Been seeing this guy for about a year at the matches. Battle beard, tats, kitted out, complete with blood type in about 5 places. Textbook contractor look. I finally ask the guy who he works for. Hardees. Maintenance man.
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Old 3 February 2018, 09:44
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Its the result of the youtube generation. Every other SEAL, Green Beret, Marine CSO, etc. that retires is pimping the next great "gadget" that is going to make you them on their youtube channel, fb live feed, twitter, during their courses, and on and on. Not going to change anytime soon.
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Old 3 February 2018, 11:42
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I shoot a local IDPA match sometimes. Been seeing this guy for about a year at the matches. Battle beard, tats, kitted out, complete with blood type in about 5 places. Textbook contractor look. I finally ask the guy who he works for. Hardees. Maintenance man.
That is hilarious.
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Old 3 February 2018, 12:33
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Its the result of the youtube generation. Every other SEAL, Green Beret, Marine CSO, etc. that retires is pimping the next great "gadget" that is going to make you them on their youtube channel, fb live feed, twitter, during their courses, and on and on. Not going to change anytime soon.
Well how the fuck else am I supposed to sell my uber-tacticool new ding-a-ling that solves a non-existent problem?
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Old 3 February 2018, 12:51
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I just don't understand these kids and their 'techniques.'
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Old 3 February 2018, 12:54
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I shot an IPSC rifle match like five years ago and there was a dude there in full multicam, name tape, high end rifles, 45° offset back up iron, looking like instructor zero. He was holding court with a bunch of guys talking about going to work for Blackwater, after it was no longer called that I believe. Anyway I left before shooting the last stage because it was taking forever, my score shooting iron sights was higher than his and I didn't do particularly well. Poster boy for all the gear and no idea.
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Old 3 February 2018, 12:59
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The Gear Over Training Mentality

Sadly, I have also seen the reverse of this, however. For example, some of the "cool kids" get to go to some expensive training.

Later, you mention to the powers that be, we need some additional vehicles, weapons, radios, etc. The reply is, "Um, well we used this years budget already (on sending some people to training that they will never need and never use.)"

Please, please, please don't interpret this as an anti-training rant, because it is not. There simply has to be an appropriate balance of equipment/gear AND training. However, as simple as it sounds, some people and places have a real hard time getting it right.

Most here are familiar with the term "mission creep". That can happen, too, with the guys that are constantly ducking work by going to training.

Here is another example. A guy wants to attend a cool sniper school out of town and expensive. Then someone points out that the mission of the agency would never involve using a sniper rifle. Not to mention that the agency doesn't have sniper rifles!

Another example. Someone wants the special team to attend training for rappelling. Again, there is a cost. Someone points out the agency doesn't own rappelling gear and the likelihood of it ever being needed is slim to none (and slim already left town.)

And, in the interest of fair disclosure, I, too, have been guilty of this. I have attended some counter drug schools, WMD stuff, EMI, National Fire Academy, etc. I knew that there a small chance that I would ever use what I was taught, but I attended anyway. I also, at least partially, buy into the concept that if you can bring back a few things and use them, so be it.

I do also think the concept of networking is HUGE. Working with guys and gals outside of your own agency gives you a chance to talk, compare notes, and learn a lot. Not to "poo poo" folks that are very big into training, BUT sometimes I have learned as much during the coffee break at training as I did the actual class itself!
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Old 3 February 2018, 13:01
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Old 3 February 2018, 13:03
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Like I've always said, start off shooting LOTS of ammo with irons.

Get good at that.

Then you may take a look at optics, not before.
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Old 3 February 2018, 14:03
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Jim1348, great post and I had thought of saying something similar. What I see far more often as a police officer is both gear and training being inadequate. And there is a ton of value in going to outside training, seeing what other people are doing, having strangers with no ties to your agency see how well you do, etc.
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Old 3 February 2018, 14:19
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Sadly, I have also seen the reverse of this, however. For example, some of the "cool kids" get to go to some expensive training.
I caught a bunch of shit for telling command that spending thousands of dollars to send guys to the National Police Memorial for Police Week was “kinda” a waste. Can we instead spend money on equipment and training to keep dudes alive. Why are we paying to send dudes to do “fitness and Honor Guard” competitions? It’s a waste. Let me be clear, I said this of the general Police occupation. My department doesn’t send anyone down there.

Jim, you’re post is spot on. I really liked the sniper portion of it.
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Old 3 February 2018, 16:19
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...Can we instead spend money on equipment and training to keep dudes alive...
Well, there you go, making sense again. You will never go far in government with an attitude like that!

Yes, some guys like stuff with a very high CDI Factor. (Chicks dig it.)

Anyway, 256 and Massgrunt, thank you for the replies. It is good to see that others see things the same way.
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Old 3 February 2018, 17:02
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Old 3 February 2018, 17:06
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Like I've always said, start off shooting LOTS of ammo with irons.

Get good at that.

Then you may take a look at optics, not before.
I take the optics off and shoot irons all the time. I find it troubling novice handgunners are installing red dots before they really learn with irons.
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Old 3 February 2018, 18:24
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Thanks for the laugh.
Well he is one of those Ivy leaguers from the NorthEast.
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Old 3 February 2018, 18:25
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I take the optics off and shoot irons all the time. I find it troubling novice handgunners are installing red dots before they really learn with irons.
Sigh.....must be nice to still be under 40.
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Sigh.....must be nice to still be under 40.
Right? I can still shoot a rear peep, but not as tight or fast as an optic. Rear leaf? Can’t see ‘em
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Old 3 February 2018, 18:51
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I am getting to the point of getting rid of the ARs and AUGs and just going with a scatter gun with 00 buckshot.
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