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Old 13 August 2019, 03:24
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Hispanics from Mexico and Central America make the best choice for farm labor, land scaping, etc, because they are lower to the ground and not as many back related injuries. It has absolutely nothing to do with being lazy! I always thought when I had a concrete business that I would like to find a crew of really versatile midgets for laborers and finishers!
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I believe the preferred nomenclature is person of unusually short stature.
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Old 13 August 2019, 04:15
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If people want to come here, and they cant make it on their own, they can either deal with it or go back home.
That's how it was when immigration first started and we became the "melting pot". Can't recall the specific date when welfare was first granted to immigrants, though.
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find a crew of really versatile midgets for laborers and finishers!
I kid you not, they're booked up with wrestling these days.
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Old 13 August 2019, 12:30
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Heightist.

I believe the preferred nomenclature is person of unusually short stature.

Ya, but I ain't as heightier as I used to be, about an inch and a half lower to the ground now!

To stay on topic, back when I was really busy, I could not find any white college boys who wanted to learn to pour concrete so I had to hire hispanics. Many were illegal , but all worked cuz I paid well. Had I the resources I would have figured out a way to keep their entire family fed, sheltered and legal. I gave one family in a bind my old '69 GMC. I loved that truck!
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Old 13 August 2019, 14:09
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Like I've mentioned before, it takes $11K+ per year, per child to go to school in America. So if a migrants has what, 4 kids? The K-12 education At the low end that's $150K, x4 that's $600k. Who's paying this?
According to the AG of California, regardless of documentation, children have a right to a public education in California.
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Old 13 August 2019, 16:40
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Ya, but I ain't as heightier as I used to be, about an inch and a half lower to the ground now!

To stay on topic, back when I was really busy, I could not find any white college boys who wanted to learn to pour concrete so I had to hire hispanics. Many were illegal , but all worked cuz I paid well. Had I the resources I would have figured out a way to keep their entire family fed, sheltered and legal. I gave one family in a bind my old '69 GMC. I loved that truck!
Paid well to them, the foreign invaders. Obviously white college boys didn't find the money worthwhile.

I'm not casting blame, but people need to understand this. Whatever number you or I think is "right" for a job doesn't mean shit. The labor market doesn't lie, and it's not emotional; the concrete business needed to open their wallets and charge more to pay more to get the workers. This is why I hate those swindling lolbertarian shiteaters; they don't actually believe the "market forces" shit they peddle, except when it benefits themselves.

Yes, it's the prisoners dilemma, the first cheater means all must cheat or lose. That's why employing illegal invaders needs to be mercilessly punished, say first offense is something like one years avg salary for that industry per offender. Second offense complete seizure of everything and 10yrs hard labor in the salt mines. S/F....Ken M
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Old 13 August 2019, 16:41
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According to the AG of California, regardless of documentation, children have a right to a public education in California.
Cool, send that MF'r the invoice. S/F....Ken M
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Old 13 August 2019, 16:43
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According to the AG of California, regardless of documentation, children have a right to a public education in California.
The AG needs a lesson in Negative rights vs Positive rights.

He's also harming the children of people here legally. And I'm not talking about the kids of wealthy elites he or she thinks will pay.
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Old 13 August 2019, 17:02
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The AG needs a lesson in Negative rights vs Positive rights.

He's also harming the children of people here legally. And I'm not talking about the kids of wealthy elites he or she thinks will pay.
In my children's back-to-school packet, Becerra had a whole page devoted to the "rights" and "privileges" of undocumented immigrants. What they should or should not say if approached by ICE, how to create a way for the illegals to have their children cared for if the adults are picked up in an ICE raid. It was quite remarkable (and not in a good way) what was written.

I got the impression that Becerra probably believes that California was probably stolen from Mexico and needs to be returned. I never believed in the claptrap of La Raza and MEChA. I personally think that those two organizations are bigoted not only to whites and Asians but also to Latinos who don't believe in socialism.
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Old 13 August 2019, 19:41
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Illustrative of several points recently made.

Those recent raids on plants hiring illegals? This is the aftermath for one. A job fair with lots of applicants and interested people. People who would appear to be citizens or legal residents. So the need for illegals is where?

This in an industry that routinely hires illegals...and the pay is low and had gone lower. Could there be a correlation there?

Now the pay is higher...but the citizens still want more. No shock there either...and nothing wrong with that. The job will pay what it’s worth...or the job will go away.

As it should be.
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Old 13 August 2019, 20:18
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And I've mentioned it before, but it needs to be beaten into people's heads.

The biggest cause of the progress of human civilization has always been, and always will be, scarcity of labor. If labor costs too much, develop a machine to do the work. Higher individual productivity means higher individual income and higher standard of living.

On the "pay attention to the subversion" front, notice how the enemedia are always blathering about average income or gross domestic product, as if those metrics actually mean something on their own. Back when the media was less evil, the metric of relevance was always "standard of living." S/F....Ken M
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Old 13 August 2019, 20:55
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That's how it was when immigration first started and we became the "melting pot". Can't recall the specific date when welfare was first granted to immigrants, though.

I kid you not, they're booked up with wrestling these days.
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I saw them in... ‘12 while TDY. It was a good time. There was also supposed to be bikini bull riding, but didn’t see any of that.
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Old 13 August 2019, 20:55
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Paid well to them, the foreign invaders. Obviously white college boys didn't find the money worthwhile.

I'm not casting blame, but people need to understand this. Whatever number you or I think is "right" for a job doesn't mean shit. The labor market doesn't lie, and it's not emotional; the concrete business needed to open their wallets and charge more to pay more to get the workers. This is why I hate those swindling lolbertarian shiteaters; they don't actually believe the "market forces" shit they peddle, except when it benefits themselves.

Yes, it's the prisoners dilemma, the first cheater means all must cheat or lose. That's why employing illegal invaders needs to be mercilessly punished, say first offense is something like one years avg salary for that industry per offender. Second offense complete seizure of everything and 10yrs hard labor in the salt mines. S/F....Ken M
I am guilty as charged. I do not know of any of us back then who did not have some illegals working. We all paid well back then (20-25yrs ago) I paid $14/hr for labor and $25/hr for finishers. Heck , we shared finishers when we had to. I subbed out as a finisher to my buddies one or two days a week. I got paid a minimum of 4 bills a day( I made more finishing decorative than conventional flatwork), and that went into my bag for paying my "wetbacks". Hell of a world we live in.

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Old 13 August 2019, 21:15
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You had midget illegals working concrete for you?
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Old 13 August 2019, 21:20
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You had midget illegals working concrete for you?
Nope, but they were smaller than me....and never had em full time, just when I got busy. I usually worked solo and only did one pour a day , early morning...
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