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Old 20 September 2012, 13:01
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Control Risks llc & International SOS

I listed CR and IS together because they have a joint operation program with CR doing more security and IS doing medical. I used the search function here but instead of finding nothing I found about 10,000 hits because "control" and "risks" and "international" are, it seems, very popular words here. I went to all the international jobs hits but it was just the words not the companies that I could find.

I don't think these companies need to be "vetted" per se, as a google search shows they both have a long and public business history. However I can't seem to find anyone on any forum anywhere who's worked for them, where they're big in the world, or what corporate culture and deployments are like.

These aren't PMCs really but the overlap seems obvious so I thought I'd check here. I have about 15 years (between EMT, EMT-I & LPN) of medical experience and will have finished my paramedic program by the late spring.

Trying to get "remote" or "hostile environment" experience under my belt as quickly as possible, which is the primary reason I'm looking for 1st hand, or just informed, experiences or general knowledge about one or both of the companies.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 20 September 2012, 13:14
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Control Risks Group is legit and the people I know who worked there had no major complaints. Primarily a UK company but they do have representation here as well. I dont know much about ISOS.
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Old 20 September 2012, 13:58
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I was looking into a project for some traveling executives and SOS came highly recommended to me by a couple of BTDT's regarding medical extraction. Project never came to life.....yet.
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Old 20 September 2012, 14:02
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Thanks for the in sights, guys--much appreciated. It seems these two companies (and them working together) have a pretty solid reputation.
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Old 20 September 2012, 14:04
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As you stated correctly: CR provides security, ISOS, medical and they have partnered strategically but i believe are still separate entities.

I have worked with a few CR guys and they never complained and appeared loyal to CR, which says loads in this field.

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Old 20 September 2012, 14:08
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CR is a known entity, with a proven track record. ISOS also falls within the same category.

Having stated that, employees and clients of both have indicated less than stellar dealings with these companies -- just to remind all that there are no companies without their issues. Obviously there are employees and clients of both who believe the companies to be fantastic (and probably were, with respect to those employes and clients).

If I were seeking employment, I would not be worried about either company as an employer (generally-speaking)....
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Old 20 September 2012, 18:44
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ISOS has been tasked to look after us in some situations, and I know a few nurses who have worked for them.

Haven't seen them in action, but the staff I spoke to enjoyed the contracts they had. Some of the nurses were hot, but most were not.
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Old 20 September 2012, 18:47
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I've used SOS Int'l as my approved casevac/medevac provider for the last 15 yrs with no issues.
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Old 20 September 2012, 18:50
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"Haven't seen them in action, but the staff I spoke to enjoyed the contracts they had. Some of the nurses were hot, but most were not."

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Old 20 September 2012, 18:56
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Having stated that, employees and clients of both have indicated less than stellar dealings with these companies -- just to remind all that there are no companies without their issues.
+1. Both are good companies and, IMO, ISOS is particularly solid with the health guidance and their evac service is well established (although some of the lines seem a but fuzzy at times). CR is also a solid company...that said, some of their offerings (and people offering them) were not bad, but not great.

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Old 20 September 2012, 21:04
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ISOS is pretty solid in SE Asia. The Bulgarian "MD" they had in Kosovo though was less than stellar. Messed up USACIVPOL's leg for him, and another friend we both know had to have his finger amputated after malpractice on a hangnail. NOT a joke. "Dr." Krume, if you're out there, please choke on something.

The Country Manager in Cambodia, Sue Kemp, is an absolute peach, though, and took good care of her people and her clients. Very competent, and considerate. Their clinic, until fairly recently, was one of the few places in Cambodia to go if you needed Western style medical attention. They would fly you to Bumrungrad in Bangkok if they couldn't handle it.

The Singapore security office, at least under Tony Ridley's tenure before he left, had a few former Aussie SASR guys, and were very good. They would be flown in to various countries in the region when and if necessary.
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Old 21 September 2012, 18:42
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Good information, thank you.

More often than not you don't see a lot of glowing reports for TCNs. They are here and there but mostly it seems like SOCNET posters aren't terribly enthusiastic about their experiences with them.

I've worked with and around more than one Indian (dots not feathers) doctor and they seem to come into our system with little trouble. The former Soviet bloc physicians don't get reciprocity unless they basically go back to school here and that's the second time I recall a contractor mentioning an IC doctor from that neck of the woods in not so complimentary terms.

Good info, thanks.
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....I've worked with and around more than one Indian (dots not feathers) doctor and they seem to come into our system with little trouble....
I've also had experience with Indian doctors (7/11s, not casinos).

In a former life I asked my friend to shoot the one who was being an idiot and trying to see how much pain I could take (dislocated shoulder). Yes, I'm serious. Yes, the doctor backed off....
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Old 22 September 2012, 00:43
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That's some bad bed side manner when your pt. threatens to shoot you. I'd do a serious self eval after an incident like that I think.

Especially if the person had a strong history of having shot people in the past.
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I think the reason the Indian (7/11s, not casinos) doctor was being an idiot was obviously due to penis envy....
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Same thing and for the same reason happened to me in Japan...
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