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Old 20 June 2012, 16:27
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Govt GS Hiring Process

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I have a neighbor who has applied for a Govt GS position. He has asked me a few questions which, not having ever applied for a GS position, I couldn't answer. I know we have quite a few GS folks here on the board and was hoping for some info to pass along to my neighbor.

First - after the application window for the vacancy closes how long (normally/on average) does it take before the applicant is contacted?

Second - If the applicant is not compatible with the position do they at least let you know that and don't leave you just wondering?

Finally - If the position he has applied for is not a suit and tie type, should he still wear a suit and tie to the interview?

Thanks in advance all.
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Old 20 June 2012, 19:36
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I have a neighbor who has applied for a Govt GS position. He has asked me a few questions which, not having ever applied for a GS position, I couldn't answer. I know we have quite a few GS folks here on the board and was hoping for some info to pass along to my neighbor.

First - after the application window for the vacancy closes how long (normally/on average) does it take before the applicant is contacted?

Second - If the applicant is not compatible with the position do they at least let you know that and don't leave you just wondering?

Finally - If the position he has applied for is not a suit and tie type, should he still wear a suit and tie to the interview?

Thanks in advance all.
I am assuming the GS job was applied to via USA JOBS. Not always an easy site to navigate for first timers.
In my experience I was sent "Certificates" of qualified applicants by HR usually within two weeks of the close date on the job announcement. Then the interviews are scheduled by the Selecting Official or board, for the most qualified applicants on the certificates. Depending on the initial selected applicant/applicants accepting or declining the offer, the interview process continues on down the cert and can be timely.
Don't count on being contacted if not selected. I suggest keeping a copy of the job announcement that lists the HR point of contact, and don't be afraid of calling and asking.
IMO do wear a suit and tie or at least a jacket and tie.
It's been two + years since I was a "Selecting Official" so hopefully things haven't changed much.
I would also suggest he take the time and do some tedious reading of the USA JOBS website. It contains alot of info on the process.
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Old 20 June 2012, 20:13
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First - after the application window for the vacancy closes how long (normally/on average) does it take before the applicant is contacted?
Truthfully, it depends on the agency and the number of applicants and it can range from a week or two to never. I would count on it being a few months (and longer if a clearance is required). I know that OPM was working on a 60-90 day deal for informing applicants of their status, but I haven't applied to anything recently to know if that is, in fact, happening.

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Second - If the applicant is not compatible with the position do they at least let you know that and don't leave you just wondering?
No, not always; however, there is usually a POC listed on the job announcement where one can follow up on status. There is no guarantee that you will get a response from them- it all depends on the HR staff at the agency...some agencies are better than others.

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Finally - If the position he has applied for is not a suit and tie type, should he still wear a suit and tie to the interview?
I can't answer this question because all of mine have been business dress. Is there a way for him to scope out the location to see what they are wearing and perhaps consider business casual?

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Old 20 June 2012, 21:24
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I'll second everything that GracieLou has stated...it depends.

As far as the interview goes...ALWAYS wear a suit.
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Old 20 June 2012, 21:41
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I'll second everything that GracieLou has stated...it depends.

As far as the interview goes...ALWAYS wear a suit.


What he said.
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Old 20 June 2012, 21:45
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As a recently "promoted" GS7 target 11, (WG to GS) I was notified by email of being "eligible" in two weeks of application.

At the interview I did dress for the target 11 position as I observed the other 11's and 12's in the position dressed. I didn't see anyone else in the interview dressed to a lower standard than me, (slacks, dress shoes, long sleeved lightweight pullover sweater).

I was offered the position the next morning via phone call.

I can tell you that if offered NEVER interview by phone unless
you are located so far away that you can't make it in person.

Govt. positions are getting harder to get, at least around here, so tell him to keep applying and to make his resume relevant to that position only. Don't add any extra crap that they will have to sort thru to get the info they want, lay the info out for them.

Hope this helps and good luck to him.
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Old 20 June 2012, 21:53
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I applied for a Fed position on 3/14. Took the written exam 3/31. Received NOR (Notice of Results) 4/6, and submitted additional info on 4/9. I just received a tentative acceptance letter on 6/8. That means don't quit your day job just yet. I had to submit additional info for BI on 6/16. Once the BI is complete, there will be a medical exam, PFT, poly (most likely) and video based interview...all to be scheduled at a latter date. Awaiting further instructions...

It can be a long process, possibly up to a year.
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Old 20 June 2012, 22:09
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It can be a long process, possibly up to a year.
Yeah, or more...

The way things are going right now, many agencies (mine included) aren't even thinking about hiring until late FY2013, at the earliest.
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Old 20 June 2012, 22:49
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Tripod, also let your friend know the RIF (reduction in force) is really affecting the civil service positions. I work for the Dept of the Air Force and will lost 94 positions within the last year.
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Old 20 June 2012, 23:56
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IME...

1) all depends on how many layers between HR and the person making the selection/sponsoring the interviewers. The application can take a couple of weeks to get to the decision maker, and his decision can take a couple of weeks to get back to HR. I've also seen it go from flash to bang in two weeks.

2) IME, the applicant is notified (good or bad) every step of the way.

3) Suit & tie. Always. You can never go wrong with a suit, but you can go wrong with business casual.
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I went through the hiring process myself and have had to hire 3 people to work for me since then.

1. Here at SOCOM, we average 200 applicants per vacancy. We don't contact anyone unless we like their resume and want to ask a few more questions.

2. If you are choosen it will take about a month to be officially notified. If you are not picked you won't hear a thing.

3. Wear a suit, dress for success.
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Old 21 June 2012, 10:32
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Thanks guys/gals. Great info posted, and some informative PM's. I knew you'd have the answers.

I did tell him, that being the government, I thought he would have a wait. And, like different companies with WPS, it could possibly vary depending on the agency. He is a recently retired Marine, so I am sure it will come as no surprise.

Mucho gracias my SOCNET compadres.
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My experience with GS hiring was a mixed bag, well worth the read.

While in the field [and on Military Active Duty] I was another peon filling an expected short tech postion. When I was selected for a position at Hq-Alpha Agency in Northern VA, I became "Strong Chief in the selection process". At times it was unimaginable how unassuming and disinterested applicants were for GS postions that they really were appling for. Some caused me pause, staring into the applicant's eyes like I was looking for an answer to "WTF". Suits? Some wore dressy T-shirts.

When my 20-year Military accural was approaching it was I who was on the hunt & find trail. I was not able to expose my "classified" part of my job description, but rather "masked" it. Even today, some many years later I can recall the pricks that talked to me like they were offering me a salary from their own family's budget. And how superior the interviewer thought they were, and that their "assumtions" to my experience equaled that of me applying for a GS-3 position. I even took a mass-applicant test and "admin-interview" for "All Alpha Agencies" recruitment at the GS-12 level. I got a reply that I passed and would be placed on the "hired when needed list." I was never again contacted via that avenue.

I was also interviewed by the "Aid to Retiring Military" female Navy LT in Wash DC. After approx 5 sentences from the Navy LT I stopped thinking I would ever get a chance at a job, and begin to think, "I probably screwed your sister last week."

In my day it was a written Résumé, vice today's job app. I sent out 40 (count 'em, 40) very attractive business like Résumés to civilian Companies. I got written reponses to only 4. Two were interested, but these two followed with a second reply "We don't think you would fit" check mark.

And oddly, my boss in Northern VA knew everyone. He called the Main Recuriter to interview me for any Agency position. I showed up 20 minutes early, waited that 20 minutes, then another hour, then another 20 minutes. Then I wrote diagonally across the clip-board interview sheet "Thank you for your consideration", then I departed without anyone even seeing me. Upon my return to my office my Boss asked my results. I told him I was never even given a hand shake. My Boss's head turned crisom in color and he was on the phone taking away perhaps 4-years of promotion time from the Head Recruiter whom was going to be my Boss's junior in approx a year.

Me? I went onto one of the 3 postions I was sought out for within my Agency and transferred to the field.

Always dress and present yourself like you want the position badly. Dress reflects the incumbent. Sloppiness reflects disinterest.

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Old 22 June 2012, 15:01
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Good post brother. Thanks for sharing that.
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Old 22 June 2012, 20:26
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There is another good way to find yourself into a GS position, and that is starting as a contractor with the agency in which you hope to become a GS. Not only will you have relevant experience with that particular agency, you might also get to know some key personnel that may be able to assist you during the hiring process.
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There is another good way to find yourself into a GS position, and that is starting as a contractor with the agency in which you hope to become a GS. Not only will you have relevant experience with that particular agency, you might also get to know some key personnel that may be able to assist you during the hiring process.
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There is another good way to find yourself into a GS position, and that is starting as a contractor with the agency in which you hope to become a GS. Not only will you have relevant experience with that particular agency, you might also get to know some key personnel that may be able to assist you during the hiring process.
To take that one step further, the govt customer writes the PD that only the desired contractor can fill. That is the best of all scenarios (if you want a GS position).

An important thing to remember is that most of the USAJOBS openings are listed for someone specific that they want. Just like the scenario above. They're just going along with regs when they list it, knowing that they're going to bring Jim over from Maintenance into Operations b/c he's been with the organization for 15yrs. I'm speaking govt-wide here, not just DoD. In my experience, DoD or the Services are more likely to hire "off the street" than any other govt agency. DoD is just a very slight sliver in the pie, tho.

I'll share my own experience: I applied for a (non DoD) fed job that was exactly in my lane. I had all the advantage you could possibly have: current fed employee, 24mos at the next highest paygrade, an accredited graduate degree in the job field, 10pt Veteran, and real, current experience in the exact job description. I also had a personal contact, a current TS clearance, and professional creds. Easy day, right? I knew I had it stitched up tight.

Wrong. The (outsourced) HR dept went on a 30day cycle. The listing closed on 1MAR; I was notified 1APR that my package had been recieved. I was notified 1MAY that my package was complete. I was notified 1JUN that I "made cert" (qualified for the position). I was notified 1JUL that I was in the top 3 and may/may not be contacted for an interview. I was notified 1AUG that the position was awarded internally, and we welcome your future applications.

They went thru all that to put their own guy into the job, which is my point. I'm not doing a sour grapes routine, but it WAS a big wake-up call to me on how the fed hires. And I'd been one for 3yrs at that point. Adjust your expectations accordingly. The contractor-to-fed route is about as bulletproof as it gets; but even then, internal politics will always slant toward hiring from within, even if it crosses job domains.
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Old 23 June 2012, 05:08
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So true sarc 88.
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To take that one step further, the govt customer writes the PD that only the desired contractor can fill. That is the best of all scenarios (if you want a GS position).

An important thing to remember is that most of the USAJOBS openings are listed for someone specific that they want. Just like the scenario above. They're just going along with regs when they list it, knowing that they're going to bring Jim over from Maintenance into Operations b/c he's been with the organization for 15yrs.
Good post, additionally it can be someone on a priority list (like base closings in Europe) that is completely unqualified but that Civilian Personnel somehow determined to be "qualified" and wants to bring into the position. This action can sometimes attempted over the objections of the hiring authority and take months of extra effort to get a qualified person into the position.

In these cases, a hiring authority has the choice between months of extra paperwork to get the right person or ends up with a GS14 port operations specialist landing into a GS13 G3 planning role with zero experience.

Great system.
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Old 23 June 2012, 10:08
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There's always the different types of certs an outsider competes against: CTAP, ICTAP, Merit etc. If the agency is permitting "Direct Hire" and you have a crafty HR specialist, and a highly qualified applicant that you desperatley want, that's the ticket. However that's the exception not the rule.
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