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Old 4 February 2018, 11:59
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1) Tin foil hat crazy is not supported. Take it to your Yahoo account instead

2) Advocating and proselytizing for your pet crazy conspiracy theory isn't supported. Take it to your Yahoo account instead

3) Keep it civil.

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Old 4 February 2018, 12:08
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Old 4 February 2018, 12:36
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The issue I have right now, whether it is warranted or not, about removing either Muller or AAG Rosenstein is the POTUS and GOP do not have the political capital to withstand the onslaught from the MSM.

The Dems have the MSM in their pockets and the court of public opinion is too shaky right now to win this battle. Let Mueller finish his job, keep Rosenstein where he is for the moment, and let the process work to an end. My reasoning (perhaps foolish) is that IG Michael Horowitz' investigation is going to shed a lot more light on FBI and DOJ partisan misconduct.

But even without Horowitz I still cannot fathom surviving strong enough to win mid-term elections after firing Mueller or Rosenstein
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The FBI was created by executive order in 1908, it can (and should) be eliminated by executive order. What have they really accomplished? Thugging down on the Eye-talians to distract from getting steamrolled by the Soviets? Failing at Counterintelligence? Robert Hansen. Failure to protect the US nuclear program. Failure to exploit US SIGINT triumph(VENONA). Failure to keep commies out of DoS. Inside baseball/ Byzantine politics with Nixon/DEEPTHROAT. And that just the crap I recall off the top of my head without getting into the more recent HRT fiascos, and the ridiculousness of massive research and procurement of cool guy firearms(etc) for people who don't do anything of the sort. It's like buying full SOPMOD kits for your non-deploying admin section.

The FBI is a publicity driven org, modeled after the USMC, without any of the actual performance. It sucks up taxpayer dollars that could actually be used for actual effective law enforcement. S/F.....Ken M
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Old 4 February 2018, 13:58
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E5M, I'm no fan of any FedAg but I do believe we need one to do certain tasks the FBI does. I think you are minimizing what good they do and way over charging on the bad shit. Personally their credibility took its biggest hit with me over Elian Gonzalez. If we're getting rid of any of them let's start with ATF.

What do you mean by modeled after the USMC?

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Old 4 February 2018, 14:45
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The FBI was created by executive order in 1908, it can (and should) be eliminated by executive order. What have they really accomplished? Thugging down on the Eye-talians to distract from getting steamrolled by the Soviets? Failing at Counterintelligence? Robert Hansen. Failure to protect the US nuclear program. Failure to exploit US SIGINT triumph(VENONA). Failure to keep commies out of DoS. Inside baseball/ Byzantine politics with Nixon/DEEPTHROAT. And that just the crap I recall off the top of my head without getting into the more recent HRT fiascos, and the ridiculousness of massive research and procurement of cool guy firearms(etc) for people who don't do anything of the sort. It's like buying full SOPMOD kits for your non-deploying admin section.

The FBI is a publicity driven org, modeled after the USMC, without any of the actual performance. It sucks up taxpayer dollars that could actually be used for actual effective law enforcement. S/F.....Ken M
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Old 4 February 2018, 15:36
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If you have ten plus years of corrupt practice as an SOP, from top to bottom, no matter the good intentions there is no 'cleaning house'.

There is 'building a new house'. The old one should be condemned and leveled to make room for this generation's needs.
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Well you would have to build a new house and blackball everyone you just purged from employment in the new agency. Otherwise all that would happen is youd simply be rebranding the same rot and disease. Yes people would whine and cry about "reinventing the wheel" and they'd be right to a certain extent, but that's not really the point.

And you better believe people are so foolish they would never believe the "new" agency would be capable of the same crap as the old one. Because stupid is as stupid does, and most people are not capable of mentally challenging the status quo. The same people that would believe in the infallibility of the new agency would be the same dumbasses who believed in the infallibility of the old agency.
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The FBI was created by executive order in 1908, it can (and should) be eliminated by executive order. What have they really accomplished? Thugging down on the Eye-talians to distract from getting steamrolled by the Soviets? Failing at Counterintelligence? Robert Hansen. Failure to protect the US nuclear program. Failure to exploit US SIGINT triumph(VENONA). Failure to keep commies out of DoS. Inside baseball/ Byzantine politics with Nixon/DEEPTHROAT. And that just the crap I recall off the top of my head without getting into the more recent HRT fiascos, and the ridiculousness of massive research and procurement of cool guy firearms(etc) for people who don't do anything of the sort. It's like buying full SOPMOD kits for your non-deploying admin section.

The FBI is a publicity driven org, modeled after the USMC, without any of the actual performance. It sucks up taxpayer dollars that could actually be used for actual effective law enforcement. S/F.....Ken M
Bingo.

The FBI should have been disbanded with Prohibition.

The only significant achievements since have been Dana Scully and the X-Files.
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If you have ten plus years of corrupt practice as an SOP, from top to bottom, no matter the good intentions there is no 'cleaning house'.

There is 'building a new house'. The old one should be condemned and leveled to make room for this generation's needs.
10 years? How about since forever. Let's not forget our chapter here in Boston. White Bulger? John Connolly? Paul Rico? John Morris? etc.
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If you have ten plus years of corrupt practice as an SOP, from top to bottom, no matter the good intentions there is no 'cleaning house'.

There is 'building a new house'. The old one should be condemned and leveled to make room for this generation's needs.
Sad, but true. It's been done before.

11,000+ Air Traffic Controllers historically learned Reagan wasn't fucking around one time. It won't go anywhere close to that with this POTUS.

I'm not sure you'd have to be anywhere as drastic as closure, but instead maybe a serious furlough+lie-detector re-application process? How do you trust any investigation, otherwise. But, it won't go that far. Not now.

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Old 4 February 2018, 16:45
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Macka,

Preach on brutha, I am just trying to limit scope to living memory here and present a reasonable and findable fact pattern of corruption that is directly related to the current task at hand, AKA FISA corruption of the 4th amendment due to the currently fashionable war on inanimate objects (now Terrorism, formerly Drugs).
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Preach on brutha, I am just trying to limit scope to living memory here and present a reasonable and findable fact pattern of corruption that is directly related to the current task at hand, AKA FISA corruption of the 4th amendment due to the currently fashionable war on inanimate objects (now Terrorism, formerly Drugs).
I work with the FBI on certain matters. The guys I work with are top notch. They are very far removed from DC. Several have turned down promotions to stay in their assignments.

I suggest everyone read Black Mass. The corruption goes to the top. DC assigned people to look into Connolly, and some of the Boston people also raised concerns. All ignored.

That POS may be responsible for up to 30 murders, either though direct knowledge, or by ignoring what should have been obvious signs. They actually framed several people for murders they knew Winter Hill was responsible.
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I work with the FBI on certain matters. The guys I work with are top notch. They are very far removed from DC. Several have turned down promotions to stay in their assignments.

I suggest everyone read Black Mass. The corruption goes to the top. DC assigned people to look into Connolly, and some of the Boston people also raised concerns. All ignored.

That POS may be responsible for up to 30 murders, either though direct knowledge, or by ignoring what should have been obvious signs. They actually framed several people for murders they knew Winter Hill was responsible.
I believe that the vast majority of the rank and file FBI agents who are doing the grunt work, i.e., going after criminals and investigating cases that involve national security are and white collar crime are honest, hard working and patriotic with the best interests of the country uppermost in their minds.

The problem lies with the political appointees who fester at the top level.

I think it's becoming more apparent as we saw from the memo and will continue to see, as more information is released, that the political animals at the top, such as Comey, Strzok, maybe Rosenstein, McCabe and the cadre of lawyers who advise them are the problem.

I'm not sure about Mueller and Rosenstein although I'm skeptical of them. But that said, I don't think the Russia investigation should be shut down nor do I have any objections to the Democrat Memo being released.

Let the truth be known and the chips fall where they may.

I think that after all is said and done there may very well be indictments. It's almost a sure bet there will be firings.

The Obama Administration was in the process of turning the FBI into a secret police organization and using it for his it's own purposes to get dirt on American Citizens. That fact has now been exposed.

Had Hillary Clinton not been defeated in the election, the politicization of the FBI and it's conversion into a Gestapo like organization would have come to fruition.

The Justice Department would have been used to mete out IN-justice to Hillary's political enemies in much the same but in a much more blatant manner than it did in the cases of FOX News reporter, James Rosen, who's reporting the Obama Administration opposed. There may have also been more political imprisonments of citizens such as the guy who made that ridiculous video that Obama and Clinton blamed Benghazi on.

Obama was politicizing the FBI.

He was politicizing the IRS and punishing conservatives.

. . . and all of this would have never been found out if Hillary Clinton had been elected and continued to march this country down the path to what would have amounted to a socialist and eventually possibly even communist dictatorship.

We dodged a bullet with the election of President Trump. I hope we can continue on the right path, clean house and be assured that this type of thing never happens again in the United States of America.
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The Justice Department would have been used to meat out IN-justice to Hillary's political enemies in much the same but in a much more blatant manner than they did in the cases of FOX News reporter, James Rosen, who's reporting the Obama Administration opposed.
Rosen is always forgotten about.
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Rosen is always forgotten about.
Yes and I don't know why his name doesn't come up more often.
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And another bang up job by the FBI (along with a local Michigan department)
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...ted/110085934/

Maybe Nassar was a Hilary supporter?

If the FBI and the locals had done their fucking jobs how many young ladies would have been spared?
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Obama was politicizing the FBI.
IMHO, focus on the last 10 years, or POTUS Obama's time frame is driven by the explosion of available information available on the internet, various leaks, etc.

How can one ignore the historical elephant that J. Edgar Hoover was? Any discussion of the FBI, its boundaries, authorities, roles, is thoroughly incomplete without understanding of how Hoover built the organization in his own image. Presidents used to be wary of him, just like Presidents were wary of Hyman Rickover or other long-lived iconoclasts of the mid-20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover

When a person wields the authoritative power Hoover did over 50 years, the cultural markers just don't disappear.

IMHO, all the post 9-11 Patriot Act did is give what was hidden a more public face, concurrently with the internet putting out it all out there. Projections in a fractured reality at POTUS Bush, Obama, and Trump as the chief authority figures is valid for their responsibility sets, but thoroughly incomplete as the federal LEO bureaucracy since the 1920s has cultural elements that have outlived any politician. The FBI's personality was embodied in the persona (in the truest psychological sense) of Hoover. Understand Hoover and one gets a better sense of what drives the FBI both good and bad.

We are prone to keep repeating history because culturally, our strength of continually looking forward is also our weakness in missing lessons learned of history.

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