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Old 25 October 2017, 19:03
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Stabilized now at 172 (I'm 5'-8), which is down from like 239 at my sloothiest desk-pushing self, and finally got pissed-off. Weighed about the same 168-172ish when was in my best construction-worker shape. But then, my balls were bigger then too. LOL!


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Outstanding!!

Make sure that you also make it muscle weight not just weight loss.

Again, outstanding accomplishment.
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Old 25 October 2017, 21:46
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Make sure that you also make it muscle weight not just weight loss. Again, outstanding accomplishment.
Thank you brother, you know that's just in the last year since I got pissed off, and you guys all helped light a fire under my ass! That's when I started the roadwork. SOCNET Rocks!

Only the last 40lbs or so has been since getting the type2 diagnosis/diet under control.

Yup, agree about the mass. The rowing machine is set on max resistance, and I also do heavy (for me) leg curls after the road miles (garage setup, so I have to walk by it on my way back into the house while the legs are still warmed up). And (you'll laugh) arm curls with a 25lb dumbell thrown in next to the shitter. Who says there's no such thing as multi-tasking?! Every day! I'm all about efficient use of time... and because it impresses the wife.

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Old 26 October 2017, 10:42
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Great thread!

Recently scored a BG level of 320 during an annual physical- Metformin, Glimeperide, and another med I canít even spell or pronounce became part of my x2 a day routine now.

Diet went from red meat, soda, potato chips, to Turkey or chicken, brown rice, and water exclusively. Lost a bunch of weight, bp went down, and the weirdest part; I no longer need as strong an eye prescription for eyeglasses!?..my distance vision actually improved overall! (Too bad the improvement wasnít in my dominant eye).

Feeling a whole lot better as of late and started lifting again, next step is to reverse this damn type 2 in time for the grand opening of the Dunkin Donuts up the street next year..

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Old 26 October 2017, 13:26
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DCH, the brown rice is a no-go for me. In fact any grains send my glucose up for a couple days. I can get away with the occasional "high-fiber" starches (like beans) but any of the grains (rice, cereals, pastas, etc) are a no-go. And I especially miss having mexican rice with my beans!

That's funny, I noticed an improvement in eyesight also. Good stuff. And the mental clarity and focus too, I thought it was "natural" to slowly lose that after age 50+...but that is better than it's ever been. Well, as long as I stay out of the Las Vegas Shooter(s) thread, anyway. LOL! Some things maybe can get too much of this "new found" focus, if you're not careful.

"Retirement" turned out to be impossible for that very reason. Almost too much energy and focus each day now.
If I didn't get back to work, the wife would have not been happy! Asian wife + "Retirement" = No-Go.

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Old 27 October 2017, 00:32
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Tycon; “..the brown rice is a no-go for me..”

I gotta say you’re not missing much.- I miss my steamed white rice like
Hillary misses her Email server.

As for my wife, she replaced the take-out pizza refrigerator magnets from the fridge door with a Padlock and chain.
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Old 27 October 2017, 10:48
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I gotta say you’re not missing much.- I miss my steamed white rice like Hillary misses her Email server.

As for my wife, she replaced the take-out pizza refrigerator magnets from the fridge door with a Padlock and chain.
LOL! My wife is NOT helping much, I am pretty much on my own. She cooks her Cambodian food, and I cook my own. And of course that involves the rice cooker going conatantly on the counter. Man I would LOVE a bowl of just plain old steamed rice smothered in butter! LOL!

But, she does occasionally make some of her recipes for my consumption. I've just been putting her Curry Beef (YUM!) on top of broccoli instead of rice...so, I still have it pretty damn good! It DOES make it a lot easier that she's NOT on the typical american diet and bringing that shit in the house.

I'm also finding that after a few monthes of the strict keto, I'm able to have the occasional "cheat" (like a couple slices of pizza or a few Taco Supremes), and the blood sugar doesn't go crazy for days. Whatever I did, it seems like I must have gotten the "burned-out" cells to be sensitive to the insulin again...and as long as I keep it to only once or twice a week...I can get seem to get away with out without burning them out again. But it took a few months of strict keto to get to that point.

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Old 27 October 2017, 12:03
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But, she does occasionally make some of her recipes for my consumption. I've just been putting her Curry Beef (YUM!) on top of broccoli instead of rice...so, I still have it pretty damn good!
Have you tried riced cauliflower? It's not for everyone, but if you're craving that rice consistency (if not the flavor), it might work for you. Green Giant makes it, among other companies.
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Old 27 October 2017, 12:12
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Have you tried riced cauliflower? It's not for everyone, but if you're craving that rice consistency (if not the flavor), it might work for you. Green Giant makes it, among other companies.
Yup, it's not too bad.

And the mashed is almost as good as mashed potatoes too. Those types have substitutes have really helped stay disciplined.

I've been making a LOT (once/week++) of keto-lasagna, with layers of spinach instead of pasta. Excellent.
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Old 31 October 2017, 19:11
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Y'all are lifting heavy ass weights at least 3x/week right? The greatest insulin receptor sensitization "drug" on the planet are Squats and Deadlifts.
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Old 31 October 2017, 20:28
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Y'all are lifting heavy ass weights at least 3x/week right? The greatest insulin receptor sensitization "drug" on the planet are Squats and Deadlifts.
Just starting to consider more of this.

I do so much cardio related work that I was trying to "cover" the resistance part by combining stairs into the run, or hills on the bike, or setting the rower resistance on "high" for shorter periods.

But in reading about the effects of too much cardio (and not enough resistance) on testosterone in people over 50, I'm thinking I should at least start alternating days with more heavy resistance.

Sadly, I'm fucking addicted to the cardio as much for the mental benefits (meditation-like, endorphins, etc.) but because I'm well over 50 they say it's even MORE important to do heavy resistance. Especially now that I've dropped (most of) the belly, it probably is time now to start to add back some lean mass. Both for ^testosterone (to rid those last 5lbs of visceral around the middle) and to help the insulin sensitivity even more.
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Old 31 October 2017, 20:52
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Great thread!

Recently scored a BG level of 320 during an annual physical- Metformin, Glimeperide, and another med I can’t even spell or pronounce became part of my x2 a day routine now.
DCH, I was reading this again and it reminded me of me. And I wanted to give you a possible head's up...

When they first diagnosed me (465ish if I remember exactly), it was Metformin (1000mg/day!), an Ace Inhibitor (for BP), and a statin for the related elevated "cholesterol".

I successfully got the glucose down with diet, and that in turn brought the BP down, so the metformin and BP meds were no longer necessary. I HAD to do that because I was having lactic acid side effects from the metformin (well, that combined with the addiction to roadwork at the same time that I would not give up LOL!). But I never did even start the statins (cholesterol) meds he prescribed.

What I wanted to tell you was to look into some of what folks here (and many others) are saying about some of their crazy side effects with statins (if that was prescribed). I'm not contradicting your received medical advice, but just saying look into it closely if that's part of your diabetic protocol. Seriously check it out and become well informed to help with those decisions.

There may be better alternatives, bro, that's all I'm saying.

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Old 31 October 2017, 21:16
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Well, I am in this boat now.

On BP meds and metformin. Have a BP cuff and a glucometer and have to check my blood sugar levels twice a day now.

I may have to get off my fat ass and exercise....

Poly - serious about heavy weights stimulating the processing of glucose? My doctor didn't say anything about that specifically....just that exercise helps a lot.....
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Old 31 October 2017, 21:56
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Glucose metabolism is dependent on many things.

(1). Insulin production
(2). Insulin action on the receptor.

Skeletal muscle contraction can control glucose uptake via 2 mechanisms: one that is insulin dependent and one that is insulin-independent.

The latter is via muscle contraction. This is a crucial reason to have correct electrolytes. Calcium, Magnesium, and phospates are thus critical for muscle contraction.

Hence exercise, both aerobic and anaerobic, will reduces stored fat cells (esp the "waist fat") and improve glucose metabolism.

It's no secret: eat healthier, exercise, don't smoke.

Side bonus: no need for Viagra.

Age will catch up with everyone.

Why not do all you can to better your life before popping pills?
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Well, I am in this boat now.

On BP meds and metformin. Have a BP cuff and a glucometer and have to check my blood sugar levels twice a day now.

I may have to get off my fat ass and exercise....

Poly - serious about heavy weights stimulating the processing of glucose? My doctor didn't say anything about that specifically....just that exercise helps a lot.....
We have become the people we laughed about 30 years ago....
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Old 1 November 2017, 00:57
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Well, I am in this boat now.

On BP meds and metformin. Have a BP cuff and a glucometer and have to check my blood sugar levels twice a day now.

I may have to get off my fat ass and exercise....

Poly - serious about heavy weights stimulating the processing of glucose? My doctor didn't say anything about that specifically....just that exercise helps a lot.....
To my understanding the importance ratio seems to be about 80% diet, and 20% exercise. I exercised like a madman, and did lose weight. But until fixing the diet the BG, BP, triglycerides were still off the charts. And I felt fine, and was losing weight. Had no idea until the company health screen.

I've seen estimates that 30% of America has these issues (silent killers)...mostly because of the American shit diet of dead, sugary "cardboard and white paste" food most people eat the most of. Combined with a ton of chemical and hormone filled meats. Lack of greens and vegetables, and when you do actually eat them (live whole vegetables and REAL whole grains), the minerals are far from what our grandparents got...because the farming soils have been so depleted.

So, 80% about cutting out the crap like high fructose corn syrup (in almost everything) and processed grains (fiber removed), etc. and work hard to ensure getting the proper nutrients. (potassium, magnesium, chromium, etc etc etc.)

20% about exercise (actually moving around the blood, nutrients, oxygen, lymph, etc.)

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We have become the people we laughed about 30 years ago....
LOL! What I have become is that cranky old(er) fucker that I used to wonder "WTF is wrong with that old dude?"...sommbitch acts like he hurts all the time. Does he just resent young people just for being young?

Sadly, all of the above.

But I'm working hard on fixing all that.

Now, if I could just get chicks to treat me like I'm a "dangerous outlaw" (again)...instead of "he's cute, but harmless" (MF! ) at least while I still have a few good years left. Not sure when that "transition" took place...but it pissed me off enough a year or so ago, to motivate me to hit the pavement again.
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Old 1 November 2017, 06:08
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Poly who? Nice to see you back on here, homeslice.....
Dipping my toe back in. Probably only here and Technology. Still see too much "America's going to end!" garbage elsewhere I see.

How are you! You should text a homie once in a while you empty nest'er!
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Well, I am in this boat now.

On BP meds and metformin. Have a BP cuff and a glucometer and have to check my blood sugar levels twice a day now.

I may have to get off my fat ass and exercise....

Poly - serious about heavy weights stimulating the processing of glucose? My doctor didn't say anything about that specifically....just that exercise helps a lot.....
Your doctor probably doesn't lift. The evidence is overwhelming. A trained muscle (resistance) is primed and starving to accept glucose to replenish intramuscular Glycogen stores after heavy lifting.

Go onto PubMed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/ or Suppversity http://suppversity.blogspot.com/ and type in "insulin resistance" and read til your hearts content.

Cardio is good for the heart, as it's a muscle too, but other than that it's just an energy drain to help with controlling calories - and a brisk 45min walk in the 120 bpm heart rate range is good enough... unless you want to become a marathoner... and look like one. Get out of the Military mindset of "have to run, run, run". Plus, if it sucks too bad, you'll stop doing it. That goes for eating, lifting, and cardio - moderation and consistency are the key. It can take a year to lose 52lbs the right way - the wrong way can be quicker, but then you'll quit and put on 20 more than you started with.

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But in reading about the effects of too much cardio (and not enough resistance) on testosterone in people over 50...

...it probably is time now to start to add back some lean mass. Both for ^testosterone.
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What I have become is that cranky old(er) fucker that I used to wonder "WTF is wrong with that old dude?"...sommbitch acts like he hurts all the time.


Get your Total and Free Testosterone, and Estrodiol (E2) Tested. The bad news is biology has probably tanked your Testosterone to hypogonadal levels no matter what you do. The good news is that it's 2017 and we have this thing called medical science A *good* HRT/TRT specialist will Rx Testosterone Cypionate if you are in the 300-400 range. Screw the lab ranges of 280 or below - luckily doctors can "treat the symptoms, not the numbers" and you do *not* want to be that low - and it can kill you early to boot. Any guy over the age of about 40, should get his hormones checked and hop on TRT if low... unless you *don't* want to feel like you did at 25???

Unfortunately, most *regular* doctors are clueless and scared to Rx Testosterone, so you need to do some legwork to find the right guy. Titan Medical is a huge clinic out of Florida, but the best guy in the US (IMO) is Dr. John Crisler in MI. IIRC, he does remote consults, although you may have to take a day plane trip once. Worth it if you can't find a local guy that knows what he's doing.

You *do not* want any gels or pellets, etc... you want a 10ml vial of 200mg/ml Testosterone Cypionate. Generic Watson is $45 for about 5 months worth, out of pocket with GoodRx - if you can't get insurance to cover it (which is a PITA if they even do).

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Old 1 November 2017, 22:35
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Thanks polypro! Your timing couldn't be better. T-level is next on the list, and I can just add the labwork to my own 90day check of A1C, electrolytes, and (newer) cholesterol labwork coming up soon that I want to do.
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