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Old 5 December 2017, 09:13
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CMP 1911A1 sales strategy

Got this email from the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) which has been charged with disposing of the remaining inventory of US military 1911A1 pistols.

Seems the bar to entry is a bit high, but the payoff "could" be good enough to make it worthwhile. Depends on their asking price for each of the grades.

The random number assignment scheme is a bit of a pain... used to be first come first served.

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To all CMP constituents:

The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions:
  • Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
  • All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
  • Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:
    1. Proof of U.S. Citizenship
    2. Proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club
    3. Proof of participation in a marksmanship activity
    4. A new form 2A with notary
    5. Successful completion of a NICS background check
    6. A signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to
  • The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.
  • Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
  • No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
  • CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
  • Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
  • Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
  • Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
  • The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
  • Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
  • When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
  • As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.

Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org
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Old 5 December 2017, 10:53
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The random number assignment scheme is a bit of a pain... used to be first come first served.
I bet they are expecting to receive a lot more than 10k near day 1 and that is their way of dealing with sorting who is first when the orders all arrive at the same time.
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Old 5 December 2017, 14:23
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Got a clarification email from them this afternoon:

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CMP 1911 Information
To all CMP constituents:

The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.

Some preliminary decisions further clarified:
  • Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
  • All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
  • Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:
    1. Proof of U.S. Citizenship
    2. Proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club
    3. Proof of participation in a marksmanship activity
    4. A new form 2A with notary
    5. A signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to
  • A NICS background check will be performed by CMP on the customer to assure the customer is eligible to purchase prior to shipment to the FFL licensed dealer. The customer must receive a "proceed" from NICS prior to shipment of the pistol to the FFL licensed dealer.
  • The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person at the FFL dealers place of business, successfully passing a NICS check performed by the FFL holder, before the pistol can be transferred. This is a second NICS check performed on the customer.
  • Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
  • No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
  • CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
  • Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
  • Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
  • Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
  • The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP.
  • Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
  • When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
  • As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
Note: 1911 type pistols purchased from CMP cannot be transferred to 03 FFL (curio and relic) license. BATF and the United States Army prefer the second background check be performed by a "store front" FFL dealer. Each customer purchasing a 1911 type pistol from CMP will be subjected to two NICS background checks, one performed by CMP and the other performed by the FFL dealer the pistol is being shipped to.



Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program
www.thecmp.org
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Old 5 December 2017, 14:43
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Old 5 December 2017, 14:58
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I'll hazard a guess and say RACK GRADE will be $600

Prices will spiral upward from that.

At least it doesn't look like they'll be running an auction like they did with the last of the carbines.
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Old 5 December 2017, 15:26
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Over the past few years, if there have been collector or correct grade Garands, they do not make it to the store. They are offered on the CMP auction site. I have even seen an unissued late Garand on there. Most M1 Carbines are sold through there as well.

I would expect the same to happen with the M1911s as well.
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Old 5 December 2017, 15:43
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I would imagine almost all of the 1911s are going to need work before being sold; especially barrels.

I would be all over one at $500-600. More than that and it exceeds my threshold. $1000 for a reworked Gov 1911 is a bit rich for me.
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Old 6 December 2017, 11:21
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I wouldn't pay $200 for the one I was issued in '72. Whoever gets it is going to be pissed!

I'm very satisfied with the Colt 1911 I now have...
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Old 6 December 2017, 11:41
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Seems like a very complicated way to sell them!
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Old 6 December 2017, 13:00
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hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a gun that has about 100 bucks worth of functional value seems like a bad deal
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Old 6 December 2017, 13:05
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hundreds and hundreds of dollars for a gun that has about 100 bucks worth of functional value seems like a bad deal
The value is not in the functionality. It all in the collector side. I'd like a US marked 1911 to go with the Garand and M1 carbine.

But some people are for willing to pay far more than I to have that issued weapon.
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Old 6 December 2017, 21:21
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Has anyone been to the two different locations? I have a friend that is a retired SP and wants to ride to the Anniston Alabama location when those 1911s get put out.
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Old 6 December 2017, 22:24
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Emails say no store sales at all on the 1911s; mail order only.
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Old 6 December 2017, 22:36
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Guess he missed that part. Might make for an interesting day trip none the less.
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Going to CMP sales is usually worth it for the stuff that never makes it to the sales listings. S/F....Ken M
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Old 6 December 2017, 23:55
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Thanks, The web page says something about parts and ammo also. May be worth a trip.
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Old 7 December 2017, 00:09
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I've only been to the store at Camp Perry, and that was over a decade ago. That said, I doubt it's changed much. S/F....Ken M
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