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Old 7 January 2018, 21:24
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I am not sure what you are saying.
It seems you are giving the impression that a GJ can return a true bill based on hearsay???
I am probably not clear on this.
Like it or not, per the USSC, yes.

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Old 8 January 2018, 01:05
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I don't have small dick syndrome, I've never considered myself a "gotcha" Perry Mason kind of guy. I don't watch TV, and that includes the stupid crime dramas.

I do not have a chip on my shoulder for Law Enforcement Officers. 3 of my immediate relatives are Cops. My best friend of 20+ years is a Cop. As a USAF SF augmentee for several months, I volunteered for several training opportunities with local Cops.

FKL got it exactly right. Either the Cop or the DA was lazy, and/or didn't have their shit together. This was no "CSI" moment, no hollywood bullshit.

I'm in a shitty situation. I cannot give the details, or defend my position with facts. I'm not a dumbass, and I am correct in my assessment, but I cannot say any more.

Either I'm a cop hating piece of shit and giving you guys a BS story, or I'm an honest citizen with the best interests of justice at heart, and offering a Joe Citizen's advice for LEO's to ensure they are doing their jobs as effectively as possible.


If I've gathered anything from this thread and my experiences, the Us vs Them mentality is in full swing, and that is unfortunate, because most of us joe citizens want bad guys to go to jail too.
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Old 8 January 2018, 03:06
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The "simple people" on the grand jury are lucky you're there to guide them.
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Old 8 January 2018, 03:20
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The "simple people" on the grand jury are lucky you're there to guide them.
Wow, your dick must be be really small.


You seem like a good dude, but your bias makes you look like a douche.
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Old 8 January 2018, 03:30
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Wow, your dick must be be really small.


You seem like a good dude, but your bias makes you look like a douche.
I'm a great dude, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with someone like you on a grand jury who sneers at his fellow jurors, the prosecutor, and the police officer as being your intellectual inferiors. This entire post comes off as you humble bragging about how intelligent you are, the hero of the situation who is much wiser and educated in the ways of the law than the people who do it for a living or the "simple people" you are on the jury with.

You describe yourself as a
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Pleasantly surprised, my co-jurors are interested in such esoterica."
I too love it when simple folk allow me to educate them.

Given your personality traits and knowledge of the law it must be difficult to slow it down to the pace of the average person.
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Old 8 January 2018, 03:45
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Aren't you so smug.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm on of the more conservative members of my panel, and I am the more willing to vote a true bill.

I get it. Your're a professional. You are consumate in your abilities above question, and no such lay person as me should ever question your professionalism. How dare someone of my lay abilities try to sway my colleagues to justice... we should just trust you fellas to do the right thing all the time... always.
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Old 8 January 2018, 04:09
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Aren't you so smug.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm on of the more conservative members of my panel, and I am the more willing to vote a true bill.

I get it. Your're a professional. You are consumate in your abilities above question, and no such lay person as me should ever question your professionalism. How dare someone of my lay abilities try to sway my colleagues to justice... we should just trust you fellas to do the right thing all the time... always.
You seem overly concerned with other male member's genitalia size. Just an observation.

If a firearm was part of the case, then yes, all of the information about it should have been documented. I cannot imagine an agency that wouldn't, but who knows. Also, maybe the cop screwed up by either not knowing it, not recording it, or failing to have his report with him. No idea.

I thought that you were going to stay out of this thread after acknowledging that it may not have been a good idea in the first place.

Calm down. Do the right thing, whatever that may be.
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Old 8 January 2018, 09:05
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Aren't you so smug.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm on of the more conservative members of my panel, and I am the more willing to vote a true bill.

I get it. Your're a professional. You are consumate in your abilities above question, and no such lay person as me should ever question your professionalism. How dare someone of my lay abilities try to sway my colleagues to justice... we should just trust you fellas to do the right thing all the time... always.
Read your initial post again and try to do it from a LEO's perspective. I understand your POV, but it does come across another way and another message is being received by those of us that spend a lot of time in GJ rooms.

Nothing personal, but...you are now getting that way and this thread will be shut down fairly soon if it doesn't get toned down a little.
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Old 8 January 2018, 14:52
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Either I'm a cop hating piece of shit and giving you guys a BS story, or I'm an honest citizen with the best interests of justice at heart, and offering a Joe Citizen's advice for LEO's to ensure they are doing their jobs as effectively as possible.

If I've gathered anything from this thread and my experiences, the Us vs Them mentality is in full swing, and that is unfortunate, because most of us joe citizens want bad guys to go to jail too.
None of that is necessarily true. However understand that you started a thread where you said (obviously paraphrasing), "This happened and it's really important, but I can't talk about it."

My first question, as was posted by someone else, was why would make and model matter? Either the suspect was armed or not. However if there is language in the law in your AO that makes the make/model/etc. directly germane to the elements of the crime, then it would make total and complete sense. However, refer to the previous statement about you not being able to clarify or talk about it. For me, the questions posed are simply others trying to figure out what you're talking about, yet you can't respond in specifics. That's not a recipe for any form of meaningful or effective conversation.

Multiple things can be true at once. I completely agree that officers/detectives should be detail oriented to the point of being anally retentive and annoying to the reader of any report. No argument there, none. At the same time I too have been the victim (failed attempt) of a Perry Mason type at Grand Jury who had their heart in the right place by asking certain questions, but were head up ass in their reasoning. It's annoying, but that doesn't mean that was your intent, only you know that.

None of the questions in this thread (IMO) show "Us vs Them." I think it really comes down to our desire of specifics (you know, cops wanting to be detailed and all that ) , and your lack of ability to provide them. That is ambiguous to say the least. And to put it out there right up front so there's no questioning it, I have an average sized penis. But to use the cliche...I ride it like I stole it.
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Old 8 January 2018, 18:46
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Old 8 January 2018, 21:36
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Well that escalated quickly.
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Well that escalated quickly.
That's one of the reasons I wish the entire "Law Enforcement" category would disappear. This site has lost a lot of good people over that section alone.
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That's one of the reasons I wish the entire "Law Enforcement" category would disappear. This site has lost a lot of good people over that section alone.
Very true.
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Isn't Alaska a constitutional carry state? You can conceal any firearm you'd like...
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