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Old 16 December 2011, 10:51
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Do your absolute best to strike and permenantly remove two words from your vocabulary: "complacency" and "routine". They are two killers that creep in slowly and silently with the passage of time. Often, you never realize "their" presence until it's too late.

In order to keep them at bay, never stop training both physically and mentally in order to keep your mind sharp and alert so that when necessary, your actions (body) will respond the way it should when called upon to do so.

Never get comfortable to the point where your guard is down because things can go "south" in a heartbeat and you don't want it to be your last one. Stay sharp and stay safe!

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Old 16 December 2011, 11:06
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In order to keep them at bay, never stop training both physically and mentally in order to keep your mind sharp and alert so that when necessary, your actions (body) will respond the way it should when called upon to do so
I'm not in LE, but it's refreshing to read this. I wish the PD in my town adopted this attitude. I just roll my eyes every time I read the blotter and it states "When the Police arrived the suspect fled on foot and is believed to be,....." From the Cops I see in my town,...it's hard not to think that they have been hiding and sliding most of their career. We have a couple hard dudes, but the personal standards are for the most part non-existant. Does your department have on-going PT tests or body mass index standards with consequences? I believe there should be for my tax dollar.
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Old 16 December 2011, 11:12
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Does your department have on-going PT tests or body mass index standards with consequences? I believe there should be for my tax dollar.
We did. But, like many other programs, they come and go with no regularity. We do emphasize personal fitness, but ultimately it is incumbent upon the individual to train and stay focused on their current fitness level. Personally, if for no one else or no other reason, I do it for my family. I don't want to orphan my son or cause my wife to become a widow because of something I could have prevented through training.
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Old 16 December 2011, 11:54
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If you ask someone a question, and the first thing that comes out of their mouth is, "Huh?", then the next thing that comes out of their mouth is going to be a lie:

"What's your name?"
"Huh?"

The same applies if they repeat your question back to you before answering:

"What's your name?"
"What's my name? It's (insert made up liar liar pants on fire name here)."

Responses like that make me feel a little giddy inside, because I know I just got into something good.
You: Whats your name?

Them: Who me?

Your next move should be pulling out your handcuffs.
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Old 17 December 2011, 01:47
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Coming up on 20 years service, I see alot of good avise here. I've heard and re-told many of the same things over the years.

Keep the advise posted here in mind and remember to be professional.

Stay safe.
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Old 17 December 2011, 16:05
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We did. But, like many other programs, they come and go with no regularity. We do emphasize personal fitness, but ultimately it is incumbent upon the individual to train and stay focused on their current fitness level. Personally, if for no one else or no other reason, I do it for my family. I don't want to orphan my son or cause my wife to become a widow because of something I could have prevented through training.
I do it because I dont want to be all broken and fat at my retirement party and die a year later of congestive heart failure like most guys I see. I
was given some advice, dont know if its true bit it was to be prepared to leave police work at 20 yrs. if you decide to do more, fine. But adjust your life so the 20-30 yr mark is because you enjoy the job, not because you have to. Basically be prepared to do something different if you feel like it.
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Old 17 December 2011, 18:02
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Sheepdog and Flying pig have a good start on the mentality it takes to survive. Your fitness, training and SA, rely on you and you alone. You have to make the decisions on how you are going to be and not look around to see if peers think it is okay. And yes, plan on doing something else, no matter how much you love the job. That will be the only way you will be able to make the transition when you retire and survive. I retired after 27 years and moved into the private sector. I miss two things, helping the people in the community when they needed help, (which I still do when I see the opportunity) and code 7 with the guys. I miss the brotherhood. Don't stop working out just because you make it to retirement, now you finally have time to enjoy your workouts. Think of it this way, I kick my butt today so that I may kick yours tomorrow. Retirement is tough, make sure you can enjoy it.
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Old 2 January 2012, 12:52
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The list above is one of the best I have had the chance to read. I think most of us could expand on each of them in one way or another from personal experience or knowing someone in our own department that has had to deal with one.

From personal experience, I would add this. If you live in the city/area you patrol or will be doing any type of errands in said area while off duty. Carry your weapon (that you have TRAINED with, in a GOOD holster or practical carry method, that you have also TRAINED with) you never know when you will be standing in a gas station and have the banger you popped 3 weeks earlier with a dope and a pistol (and threatened to kill you, if he ever saw you on the street) come walking into the store.

Luckily, I saw him first. He saw me, turned around, walked back outside and to the passenger side of his car, standing with the door between him and the store. I called my buddy that was on duty and around the corner. I walked out of a side door as the marked unit pulled in and we caught him off guard. Gun charge # 2 for the DB in 3 weeks. No doubt in my mind what his intentions were.

I had my pistol and a plan, luckily, I didn't have to use the pistol, but I had ran the scenario in my head many times before. This was only because I had a few of the Ol' timers pull me aside, when I was the "wet behind the ear, superman, save the world, everybody gets a ticket" rookie. Those Ol' timers gave me a list, much like the one listed above and beat it into my head. Thanks to those guys, I have made it 20 years and try to pass that info on now.

There is a huge difference between prepared and paranoid. Be prepared, both on duty and off. Teach your family (wife, kids, etc.) what to do if you HAVE to react to something when with them off duty.
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Old 21 February 2012, 12:42
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^HEll Yes. I was standing in a burger joint in the city I worked in (where I also lived, went to H.S. in grew up in) turned around from the counter with my order and standing right behind me in line was a guy I had shot 4 years earlier. Honestly I think he was more shocked. "How' you doin boss?" was his comment. "Good man, how you doing?" It was an attempted suicide by cop situation. I think Ive told the story here before somewhere. Although that didnt stop his lawyer from trying to sue me for $10 mill. Which he lost.

And No, I didnt have my gun. I was simply making a Home Depot run and decided to grab lunch on my way back home. "Ill only be gone for a minute.......what can happen?"
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Old 5 April 2012, 12:28
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Like these comments just as relevant for the UK as for US except here we don't usually have firearms backup. Most of us do not even carry tasers. Tends to focus the mind when going to an incident and all you have is a baton and cs spray. Sometimes the cs is more trouble than it's worth. I've been gassed twice by a colleague who was trying to HELP.
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Old 21 July 2012, 03:19
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Can't remember seeing this one yet, but keep in mind the Corrections folks at the jail are an outstanding wealth of intel. If you have a surveillance photo of a guy you're trying to ID, or trying to figure out who goes by the street name "Easy," shoot the info off to the jail folks. They spend a lot more time with these guys than we do, and can often ID your suspects off the top of their head.

Jail records are also great investigative tools. At least in my area, all jail phone calls (except with an attorney) are recorded. All visitors to any inmate