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Old 6 September 2019, 11:51
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It should be mentioned that the populations are rather homogeneous and don't have much for gang activity. Those are probably bigger factors than constitutional carry itself.
At elast we can say that constitutional carry didn't make them less safe. That may be the more effective argument.

Are you saying certain demographics are more prone to violence? Must be the GOA/FPC/JPF/NRA demographic... oh wait, it isn't them.... Hmmmmm. Wonder what political philosophy most of the murderers would support, if they voted? Create the problem, then try to solve it, by impacting everybody BUT the original problem...cool, self-licking, job security, trick.

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Old 6 September 2019, 12:36
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Are you saying certain demographics are more prone to violence?
I would like to write that diversity in populations can cause friction between members of the different groups so more homogeneous groups are less prone to violence but Chicago, Baltimore, etc stand in stark contrast to that.
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Old 6 September 2019, 18:03
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Haha. What a great way to advertise your state!

“Despite dire predictions in 2015 from Bloomberg-funded gun grabbers that blood would run through the streets of Maine if my Constitutional Carry legislation passed into law, Maine has instead been ranked the safest state in America, with the number one lowest violent crime rate, every single year since passage.. . . "
Seems great, but needs context. Where did it rank before the law came into effect?
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Old 7 September 2019, 05:00
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Well as Walmart clamps down on gun rights, Rural King does the opposite. Releases a letter stating they will continue to sell firearms and ammo, support the 2A, and have no problem with open or concealed carry.

I go to Rural King at least once a week. Free popcorn and can take the dog into the store. Of course had some liberal idiots on our local social media - you guessed it - State Rural King is full of Trump supporting racist. Which tells me they have never been in our local Rural King as the manager is African American and so is one of the men who runs the gun counter. : )
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Old 8 September 2019, 11:20
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So apparently, DoJ dropped a packet of proposed gun-control legislation on the President's desk - WTF is a non-elected entity doing, creating "legislation"? Is this more Bump Stock BS? Nobody knows what's in the packet, yet.
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“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time”

“Take the guns first, go through due process second”

"Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court"
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Old 8 September 2019, 15:01
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So apparently, DoJ dropped a packet of proposed gun-control legislation on the President's desk - WTF is a non-elected entity doing, creating "legislation"? Is this more Bump Stock BS? Nobody knows what's in the packet, yet.
You think that the NRA (or any other lobbying organization for that matter) hasn't at some point dropped a packet of proposed legislation on the desk of a friendly legislator?
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Old 8 September 2019, 17:14
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... the manager is African American and so is one of the men who runs the gun counter. : )
Dude... have you listened to these fruit bats lately? They don't let a silly thing like someone's actual race influence them in their opinion of whether someone is a racist Trump supporter... Hell, they call Jews Nazis, Black conservatives white supremacists... They don't let a little thing like their own eyes tell them what nonsense to spout. It just comes out.

Matter of fact, they say it so much to everyone and anyone they hate, it doesn't mean shit anymore. Nazi racist white supremacist? Yeah right, big deal...
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Finally, I believe that punishing lawful gun owners by creating new, more onerous laws, and restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, when we already don't enforce the tens of thousands of gun laws we have on the books, is like beating your dog because the neighbor's dog shit in your yard.
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Old 8 September 2019, 19:02
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So apparently, DoJ dropped a packet of proposed gun-control legislation on the President's desk - WTF is a non-elected entity doing, creating "legislation"? Is this more Bump Stock BS? Nobody knows what's in the packet, yet.
The Executive Branch submits Legislative Proposals to Congress for consideration around February each year.

Some of these proposals represent Executive Branch needs that have nothing to do with the current President while others represent Presidential priorities.

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Old 8 September 2019, 22:57
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Those lobbying organization get paid BIG MONEY for being a lobbyist. If you have enough money an won't something brought to the attention of Congress, Shell out the cash to the right lobbying organization. It will make it rounds some how. It greases my palm, etc.
Fascinating. But it doesn't change my point....
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Old 10 September 2019, 09:58
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What a piece of work. At least we see the mindset.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...un-control.amp
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What a piece of work. At least we see the mindset.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...un-control.amp
Recon by fire. I don't think thats going to play out like he thinks.

As the resident (cautious) optimist, I think he is about to get a big fucking surprise about what the actual majority thinks of these proposed gun measures.

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Old 10 September 2019, 10:34
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An example of what can happen when we allow these emotional thinkers to draft legislation can be seen with prohibition.

We shouldn't let it get that far again.
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Finally, I believe that punishing lawful gun owners by creating new, more onerous laws, and restricting Constitutionally guaranteed rights, when we already don't enforce the tens of thousands of gun laws we have on the books, is like beating your dog because the neighbor's dog shit in your yard.
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Old 11 September 2019, 06:20
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An example of what can happen when we allow these emotional thinkers to draft legislation can be seen with prohibition.

We shouldn't let it get that far again.
We most certainly shouldn't but every day I see it creeping in that direction more and more. It is unsettling.
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Old 11 September 2019, 07:16
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An example of what can happen when we allow these emotional thinkers to draft legislation can be seen with prohibition.

We shouldn't let it get that far again.
One thing about Prohibition. Many Women throughout the country were for it.
I dont think we have the same demographics as before, but they do play a key part in legislation. Think drinking age 21, MADD..
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Old 11 September 2019, 13:40
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The quote from this article is interesting as it reinforces the idea that money is the motivation instead of defending the 2nd Amendment:

"In a lawsuit filed Monday in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, the NRA says that the “terrorist” label is little more than a “frivolous insult.” Instead, the suit primarily takes issue with the Board of Supervisors’ attempts to bar the city from working with NRA-connected vendors and contractors."

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https://beta.washingtonpost.com/nati...ation-lawsuit/

San Francisco branded the NRA a ‘domestic terrorist organization.’ The gun rights lobby is suing.

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Katie Shepherd

September 10, 2019 at 5:58 a.m. EDT

The memory of a mass shooting that killed three at the Gilroy Garlic Festival was still fresh in nearby San Francisco when its Board of Supervisors unanimously voted last week to denounce the National Rifle Association. But the city’s leaders took their message a step further, declaring on Sept. 3 that the NRA is a “domestic terrorist organization” and discouraging the city from working with contractors or vendors with ties to the gun rights lobby.

Now the NRA is hitting back with a lawsuit that calls the resolution “obviously unconstitutional,” arguing that targeting gun-friendly vendors and contractors violates their right to free speech.

“This lawsuit comes with a message to those who attack the NRA: we will never stop fighting for our law-abiding members and their constitutional freedoms,” NRA CEO and executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said in a statement shared with The Washington Post.

The San Francisco City Attorney’s Office responded by suggesting the NRA focus on reducing gun violence.

“The American people would be better served if the NRA stopped trying to get weapons of war into our communities and instead actually did something about gun safety,” John Coté, a spokesman for the San Francisco City Attorney’s Office, told the Associated Press. “Common-sense safety measures like universal background checks, an assault weapons ban, and restricting high-capacity magazines would be a good start.”

The legal battle comes as legislators nationwide grapple with how to address gun violence after a summer marked by mass shootings in California, Texas and Ohio. It also comes at a time of turmoil for the NRA, which has lost a president, its top lobbyist and several board members amid financial woes, and as public opinion swings in favor of stricter gun laws, even among Republicans. Last week, Walmart announced it will stop selling ammunition for military-style weapons and asked customers to refrain from openly carrying guns into stores.

San Francisco passed the resolution after a gunman killed a 6-year-old, 13-year-old and 25-year-old in Gilroy, about 80 miles south of the city, on July 28. Supervisor Catherine Stefani, who wrote the resolution, told The Washington Post she believes the NRA deserves to be known as a “terrorist organization.”

“They should reasonably know by now that they are fueling the hate fire in this country,” she said after the resolution passed. “People are dying, and they continue to stand in the way of reform.”

In the resolution, the Board of Supervisors also urged the city to review its relationship with companies that work with the NRA and refrain from establishing new partnerships with any business that supports the gun lobby.

“The National Rifle Association through its advocacy has armed those individuals who would and have committed acts of terrorism,” the resolution says. “All countries have violent and hateful people, but only in America do we give them ready access to assault weapons and large-capacity magazines thanks, in large part, to the National Rifle Association’s influence.”

In a lawsuit filed Monday in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, the NRA says that the “terrorist” label is little more than a “frivolous insult.” Instead, the suit primarily takes issue with the Board of Supervisors’ attempts to bar the city from working with NRA-connected vendors and contractors.

“San Francisco’s actions pose a nonfrivolous constitutional threat,” the lawsuit argues. “Defendants are intent on targeting the NRA for its advocacy, chilling the NRA’s and its members’ rights of free speech and association under the First Amendment, all with an eye to silence the NRA from the debate on Second Amendment rights.”

The NRA also cites recent examples of critics pushing back against the “terrorist” label, pointing to a Los Angeles Times opinion piece by Michael McGough, who argued that the NRA “richly deserves criticism for its role in preventing the enactment of sensible gun-control legislation” but called the resolution “problematic from a 1st Amendment perspective.”

Although the “terrorist” label was panned by conservative politicians and commentators, some legal scholars noted that the government is allowed to dish out insults.

“The government can say whatever it wants and its speech cannot be said to violate the First Amendment,” Professor Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of Berkeley Law at the University of California, said in an email to The Post. “The law is clear on that.”

Other legal experts took exception to the terminology. Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington University, argued in the Hill that the Board of Supervisors “took one step too far” in labeling the NRA “terrorists.”

“San Francisco is declaring that advocacy of a constitutional right is akin to being an arm of the Islamic State,” Turley writes.

The second piece of the resolution, which restricts the city from engaging in business with NRA-supporting contractors and vendors, might violate the First Amendment, Chemerinsky acknowledged — but only if the city enforces that rule.

“The government cannot punish people for their political views,” he said. “But at this stage, it is too general a threat to be ripe for review.”

Although the resolution hasn’t taken effect yet and still must be signed by the San Francisco mayor by Saturday, the NRA’s lawsuit claims the threat of enforcement is enough to chill free speech.

“This action is an assault on all advocacy organizations across the country,” NRA attorney William A. Brewer III said in a statement. “Fortunately, the NRA, like all U.S. citizens, is protected by the First Amendment.”
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Old 11 September 2019, 15:25
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NRA is done with most real 2A supporters, it's a Fudd org. I LOL at the SocialLefts and their panty bunching over them - find me one NRA statement that says the 2A is for killing future American Gestapo and Schutzstaffel (SS).
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Old 11 September 2019, 15:27
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NRA is done with most real 2A supporters, it's a Fudd org. I LOL at the SocialLefts and their panty bunching over them -.
Good.

Let them spend their time and money attacking a paper tiger.
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So apparently, DoJ dropped a packet of proposed gun-control legislation on the President's desk - WTF is a non-elected entity doing, creating "legislation"? Is this more Bump Stock BS? Nobody knows what's in the packet, yet.
EPA and other Executive entities have been enacting and enforcing "policy" for years upon the American public.
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Old 12 September 2019, 08:34
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Back channel info doesn't look good - new page from FPC:

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/oppos...elrkRRQSn_Kles
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Old 12 September 2019, 09:35
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Back channel info doesn't look good - new page from FPC:

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/oppos...elrkRRQSn_Kles
I'm sure it's just more 4d chess ya'll.
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