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Old 8 May 2017, 10:56
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F&D defense Folding AR15

I did a quick search & didn't see any references to a folding AR platform.

Thoughts from you gun guru types?? It's an AR15 "folder"

https://www.fddefense.com/rifles/xar/
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Old 8 May 2017, 11:17
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This one?



I can't get on their website (blocked here at work... weapons ) but the approach of breaking apart at the barrel extension is certainly different.


Found a decent YouTube review showing the thing up close
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Old 8 May 2017, 11:51
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Yup that's the one. Looks like a pretty decent concept, my concern would probably be longevity?
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Old 8 May 2017, 12:08
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Other smarter folk than I will chime in soon, but looking at it, you're swapping a barrel rigidly screwed into the upper receiver for one that is now held in place by a hinge and a clamp. Any slop in that closure system will cause some variance in the bolt & barrel extension mating. Headspace could wander, etc. If the parts are steel, you'll get better & longer wear. If they're aluminum... not so much.

Off hand I'd say that for a "precision" rifle this isn't what you're wanting to go with. While it might "hold a zero" I just can't see it actually remaining accurate over time.

For a rifle that needs concealment and isn't worried too much about an extremely long service life, this might be a good way to go.

An observation: folding at the barrel / upper juncture gets you a longer rifle folding back onto itself, and more evenly, than a folding mechanism at the buffer tube / lower juncture: The average rifle stock is only 14 or so inches, while the rifle barrels are clearly much longer than that.
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I figure the zero would suffer, as well as the longevity. I guess for it's "intended purpose" it will be fine, but you're right as to the precision aspect. Out to 250 on a target that was in the 5'8 to 6' in height probably be fine.
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Old 8 May 2017, 13:45
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Looking closely at the pics, and stills on the video, it looks as if the upper is aluminum, and they've got a press-fit steel bushing in place for the hinge. What isn't so obvious is how they're managing the gas-impingement. Also, I guess a piston-powered gun is out of the question...?

See how this plays out in the coming months as folks get hold of it and break it down.
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It looks vaguely similar to a version of the kel-tec sub-2000, but built more robustly to handle rifle cartridges instead of pistol rounds. Since the kel-tec has been around longer, there may be applicable lessons from that experience.
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I agree with B 2/75. This might make an OK "Spray & Pray" trunk/bug-out weapon, but the rigidity and accuracy could be greatly compromised by the barrel fold point. Generally, optics are mounted on the upper receiver, not to mention the fwd sights may drift if lock up isn't spot on secure. The AR market is flooded right now, any new gimmick will be seen as just that...a gimmick. What's the issue with having a folding stock?
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Interesting concept. I'm sure there are better ways of doing it that could be incorporated in follow-on design modifications. Steel/different material at certain points. Perhaps tapered interface points (such as they have on the newer silencer mounts that have replaced the ratchet systems) that also feature better lock-up mechanisms to help facilitate repeatable zeros. Downside might mean proprietary barrel extensions/etc.

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The AR market is flooded right now, any new gimmick will be seen as just that...a gimmick. What's the issue with having a folding stock?
I personally like the Sig MCX's idea of having an internal captured spring in the upper receiver run the BCG. I am fairly sure they patented that design, otherwise I'm certain we would have seen more gun manufacturers jump on board and put their spin on that design. Because the factory folding stock on the MCX is, IMO, straight non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma. So many better options could be incorporated into it's design. I like the idea of an MCX SBR, with folding CTR stock or similar, but with better ergos and features that third parties always seem to come up with and are simply brilliant.

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Why not just build an AR pistol with a SIG Brace?

crosspoints?

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Go with a KAK Shockwave for pistol
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KAK Shockwave plus Law Tactical folder.
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Anyone else get a bad feeling seeing the chamber open to the world in the pic?
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This seems like a bad design. It gives up a lot and seems to fly against the basics of mechanical accuracy. Maybe it's ok, I'd like to see accuracy and durability tests.

I've got a side folding AK that I keep in a tennis racket case sometimes for travel. It's handy.

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