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Old 9 October 2017, 16:05
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Security Clearance Question

Usually people ask about the timelines involved in receiving a clearance (I'll provide my own exp. at the bottom) but this is a different question.

I have been employed with a company stateside for going on three years. It was never intended to be permanent as there is no promotional potential and the work itself is fairly rudimentary. There is a very high turnover rate of employees at this company. The pay is very decent when compared to the work that's required of you, so it's not all bad. However, management is incredibly toxic and disparaging of its employees and I will leave it at that. I was told verbally that I was going to be put in for the DoS TS and wasn't sent the Eqip information for about 8 months. From the time I submitted my Eqip to the time my company notified me that it was granted was 18 months. During that time I wanted to submit my two weeks notice on many occasions for many reasons but didn't because of the ongoing investigation. Fast Forward to one week ago, I was notified it was granted and 3 days ago, I put in my notice. I sent a "security clearance checklist" to another company which I'm guessing verified the clearance with their FSO or security specialist prior to moving forward with recruitment. Everything checked out. Yesterday a coworker alerted me that management was upset at my notice and the exact quote from the manager to another coworker was "his clearance is in limbo and we don't know what we will do with it, we still can cancel it" (note mgmt hasn't even responded to my formal notice).

My question, is this possible? Can management request to revoke your security clearance or cancel it without cause just because you're quitting? I'm assuming it was fully granted, could I be wrong? I'm not depending on the clearance for further employment but it would be nice to have and obviously gives me more options. I understand this practice is frowned upon and I will take the roasting I might receive on the matter.

DoS TS Clearance timeline:
Eqip Submitted 05/2016
Interview with Investigator: 04/2017
Clearance Granted or Investigation Completed: end of 09/2017-10/2017
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Old 9 October 2017, 16:14
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However, management is incredibly toxic and disparaging of its employees and I will leave it at that.
So, how long did you work for Dyncorp?

The answer is yes, they can terminate your clearance if you're leaving the job that required it. Depending on where you go, your new employer may or may not be able to reinstate it.

e: pretty decent reference here: https://www.clearancejobs.com/security-clearance-faqs

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Old 9 October 2017, 16:38
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About 2 years with Dyn, the program I was on was fantastic, no complaints. I kick myself in the ass for leaving it regularly. You never know how good you have it until it's gone!

Thanks for the link. So in regards to my initial question, as long as it was granted my clearance would go from being "Active" to "Current - eligible for reinstatement" for a 2 year period. Got it.

What would be an instance where an employee leaves a company and their clearance maintains the Active status?
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Old 9 October 2017, 16:41
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That one I'm not sure about. My contracting time was minimal but someone here will know.
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Old 9 October 2017, 17:50
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I dont know that they can revoke your clearance... they can certainly switch it from active to inactive (in fact, they should if you are not an employee any longer).. but only the government can revoke it as far as I know..

If you are picked up by another company into a position that requires a TS, it should be as simple as having the new company's FSO go into jpas and flipping the switch, and then youre back "on" again..

Ill give my FSO a buzz tomorrow and try to confirm this..
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Old 9 October 2017, 18:16
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You are TS eligible. They can put you in the system as inactive. You will have to be re-Indoced into any (including additional) levels of access.

I am a govie that has to authorize this for contractors in my shop.
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Old 10 October 2017, 16:50
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You are TS eligible. They can put you in the system as inactive. You will have to be re-Indoced into any (including additional) levels of access.

I am a govie that has to authorize this for contractors in my shop.
What Dangerous said; The company that holds your clearance for a government contract can't revoke the clearance it or suspend it without a review and specific information why.

They can switch it to inactive at any time. Those words make a big difference.
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Old 10 October 2017, 17:19
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There isn't really such a thing as a "clearance." There is Eligibility (the background investigation and successful adjudication), and there is Access (the ability to work with classified based on need-to-know).
So, the company should revoke your Access the moment you quit, but that doesn't affect your Eligibility. Once it has been adjudicated, you shouldn't need to be reinvestigated until it is time for a periodic reinvestigation or you go 2 years without it being used.
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Old 10 October 2017, 20:23
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Old 11 October 2017, 15:28
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Just a quick note about the difference between DoD and DoS clearances. DoD utilizes JPAS and the clearancejobs.com link does a good job of breaking down how that works. DoS has their own process in place and a company FSO doesn't have access to their systems. I've worked as an FSO for the past 10 years on both DoD and DoS contracts. As an FSO supporting a DoS contract I had zero visibility on our personnel's clearances, other than receiving notices directly from the DoS security office. My experience working with DoS is now about 5 years out of date, but from what I remember we faced a lot of issues with continuity of clearances when individuals moved from one DoS contract to another. Often DoS would require that the contractor submit a brand new e-QIP and would then redo the entire investigation. Seemed like a lot of wasted tax dollars. Anyways, the only way a company can 'revoke' a clearance is if they send a note to cancel an open investigation, which would remove any interim determination. Whether or not DoS will retain an individual's eligibility after access is removed is, unfortunately, completely under their control.
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What Baildog said ^^^^ is spot on. The government grants eligibility and the company then allows access.
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