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Old 17 July 2016, 20:22
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Never been in Law Enforcement . But just a suggestion . If a guy / gal is unarmed Tase the fuck out of them and keep doing it until they are compliant instead of filling them with .40 cal lead.
I'm not trying to be a dick here. But I believe this thread is for experienced officers to give advice to new officers, not for advice from people who have never worked in law enforcement.
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Old 17 July 2016, 22:54
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Expatmedic said: "... especially inmates do not under any circumstances accept or give them anything. You will always wonder when IA might come see you. You might get trapped into always doing favors that are outside the scope of your duties and established policy and procedures."

Pay close attention to this! I was involved in at least a half-dozen cases where DOC officers were manipulated by state inmates and ended up inside themselves after being used as mules for dope and other contraband.

The same applies to street cops and/or detectives who do a "favor" for a crook. Cross the line once and they own you and will use you! There are ways to use crooks for information sources, etc. but always document the contact. CYA!
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Old 17 July 2016, 23:07
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I'm not trying to be a dick here. But I believe this thread is for experienced officers to give advice to new officers, not for advice from people who have never worked in law enforcement.
OK... I'll stay in my lane. But I see the same shit going down over & over on TV. It doesn't reflect well on YOUR profession . Cops have a tough job no doubt . Shooting unarmed folks doesn't help anyone.
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Old 17 July 2016, 23:57
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OK... I'll stay in my lane. But I see the same shit going down over & over on TV. It doesn't reflect well on YOUR profession . Cops have a tough job no doubt . Shooting unarmed folks doesn't help anyone.
What you see on TV is only what they won't to show you, after it has been edited several times.

I will give you an example four individuals each standing on a different counters of the street. There is a car accident. Each individual will have a different view of what happened. The same thing happens when you see a NEWS REPORT on TV.

You will not know the truth until all the investigation is complete an that takes time.
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Old 18 July 2016, 08:13
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Old 18 July 2016, 08:23
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If you're not a current or former LEO, stay out of this thread please unless you are discussing a point made in another post.
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Old 19 July 2016, 19:46
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Old 26 January 2017, 15:58
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Less than 30 days from graduation. Still find myself referring back to this thread- thanks all
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Old 26 January 2017, 18:55
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Old 27 January 2017, 11:33
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As I have posted in this thread before, you need to have the purity of the desire to help people first and foremost. The next priority is that your reputation is easy to lose and can be negatively portrayed by the less than professional in your department. Do not let those people change your desire to help people or your work ethic towards the community and your career. Your reputation is not made in one night shift but it can be damaged in one.

I was once told that the officers on the shift I supervised always had comfort in that when I arrived on their scene I was there to help them and I would help them solve the problem at hand. Sometimes it was with guidance, other times with going hands on along side them. I liked the fact that they knew I was not there to second guess them but to help them. I regularly provided out of the box solutions that helped them broaden their mindset for the future.

How can you new guys apply this - think outside the box on day one, listen to the advice of your supervisors and apply it to the future (if it is good advice.)
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Old 28 January 2017, 04:38
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It's a marathon not a sprint. Change assignments to avoid burn outs. When you stand before the Platoon Commander/Watch Commander for fucking up, be honest and accept responsiblity for your actions.
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Old 28 January 2017, 07:56
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Old 28 February 2017, 02:01
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Be humble, don't come in on a tall horse, come in on a pony. Watch the booze and don't lie. Besides that, just earn your pay check and be professional. Oh, and the grass is rarely greener (The cages are all the same. Only the squirrels change). I know these things because at one time or another I violated them all. :-)
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If you see something wrong, do something about it. Regardless of who is doing the wrong. That includes your fellow officers. I was never afraid to stop someone from using force I deemed excessive, or doing something that violated a Constitutional freedom. Treat people with dignity and respect until other treatment is warranted. Do not tolerate corruption in any form. As a LEO, YOU are responsible for knowing the laws, rules, regulations, and above all, rights. Remember you have no right to do anything, but you have the authority to do what you must to enforce. Treat everyone equally, regardless of their class, color, creed, or condition. Respect, however, is a two way street. It is not your job to be an ass kisser, or a shit taker. Know your authority, where it comes from, and how to apply it appropriately. The people place in you an enormous amount of trust and faith. Do nothing that will violate that trust. Be an example to others, on how to be a professional police officer. Never lie. Don't be afraid to tell people what you think of them, especially co-workers, positive and negative. Constructive criticism works, destructive criticism does not.

...and finally, remember you are first and foremost a citizen, like those you police. You live in a glass house, so live by example. People's rights come first, always. Get called in front of a grand jury for a civil rights complaint and you will know why... I was a witness in a few, never complained against. Keep the faith, and stay safe.

As far as the taser comment... Sometimes tasers don't work. Use of force, even deadly force, can be legally used against a person that does not hold a weapon in their hands. Sometimes, "filling them full of lead" is a viable option. (That was just to answer your question Riser.) People are capable of killing an officer with their bare hands... it happens. So, an officer must make the determination of when to use deadly force, and every determination will be Monday morning quarterbacked by every lawyer in sight, as well as every media outlet on the planet. Don't always believe what you see on the "news". They steer your thinking to believe what they want you to believe, just like they did with fake news, and interjecting their "opinions" into news stories. We no longer have an unbiased news media. They are completely agenda and ratings driven. It is fashionable to hate cops now, so they will steer public thinking in that direction. You are being manipulated.
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Old 2 March 2017, 00:30
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"The real problem was being able to stick it out, to sit in an office under the orders of a wee man in a dark gray suit and look out of the window and recall the bush country, the waving palms, the smell of sweat and cordite, the grunts of the men hauling jeeps over the river crossings, the copper-tasting fears just before the attack, and the wild, cruel joy of being alive afterward. To remember, and then go back to the ledgers and the commuter train, that was impossible. He knew he would eat his heart out if it ever came to that."

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Old 7 March 2017, 14:14
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Well folks I made it through, got the badge. Now its time for the real learning.

I'll be hitting the road soon. Thanks for the wisdom, I'll continue to check back here for review.
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Old 7 March 2017, 14:15
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Well folks I made it through, got the badge. Now its time for the real learning.

I'll be hitting the road soon. Thanks for the wisdom, I'll continue to check back here for review.
Very good! Stay safe out there!
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Old 30 December 2017, 22:46
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I have a routine when I get to work (if time allows). Check emails, read news (CNN, Fox News and local news), read at least one case law and watch a use of force video. YouTube is your friend as a Police Officer. Know your case law! Treat people like your grandmother. Help people as much as you can, even the dirt bags. The dirt bags know more about their community then you think you know. The more respect you give them the more information they’ll share with you.
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Old 1 January 2018, 02:46
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I make it a habit to read the log. Ideally, I try to read every single incident and report since the last time I was in. I got a dangerous thief eight months in jail simply because I read about an incident that occurred a half hour before I got to work. I connected a couple of robberies to each other the same way and had a ready answer when a detective from another agency called, playing a very small role in wrapping those guys up. It's a good practice for general situational awareness. Learning names of players, who's having family disturbance calls with who, who hangs out with who etc.
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"The real problem was being able to stick it out, to sit in an office under the orders of a wee man in a dark gray suit and look out of the window and recall the bush country, the waving palms, the smell of sweat and cordite, the grunts of the men hauling jeeps over the river crossings, the copper-tasting fears just before the attack, and the wild, cruel joy of being alive afterward. To remember, and then go back to the ledgers and the commuter train, that was impossible. He knew he would eat his heart out if it ever came to that."

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Old 4 July 2018, 01:05
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Read this interaction from SOTB and SteadyEddie, then practice the Peelian Principals. You are a Police Officer, but you're the public as well. You're a servant to the people, don't you ever forget that. BS calls are only BS because you aren't personally involved. People call you on their worst days, treat them as such until they give you a reason not to. When it's over and they're in cuffs, that's it, be a professional. Don't use "Officer safety" as an excuse to be callus. Applying these principals might not be popular among some of your peers and leadership, have the courage to pick the hard right over the easy wrong.

You do not need to be in a leadership position to be a leader, take care of your fellow Police Officers. If you notice your partner is "off'' after a fucked up call, make sure they are taken of.
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