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Old 1 March 2018, 19:35
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Thanks for that mdwest.
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Old 1 March 2018, 19:51
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I should add that I will be in northern South Africa (near the border with Botswana) in less than 2 weeks..

I plan on asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of detailed listening to the answers while I am there.. I'll actually be on a farm (about 15,000 acres) that is "white" owned (by a dual national US/SA)..

Certainly an interesting time to be traveling there (not that any time traveling to SA isnt at least little interesting)..
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Old 2 March 2018, 09:40
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https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/sou...ise-over-land/

somewhat related article..

the land confiscation issue isnt purely a white-black thing like many in the media would like you to believe..

much of the "unproductive" land in question is tribal owned and managed... a huge number of those 4300 farms mentioned previously are on historically tribal land and it is the tribes that now have possession of them.. a percentage (albeit a small one) of the land that is used for game farming and hunting by white outfitters is tribal land that is leased from the tribe..

The Ingonyama Trust is a separate issue from the decision made in parliament that is the subject of this thread.. but is related.. (google the I Trust for more information about how this could make Zulu land vulnerable to any change to the SA constitution that would allow lands to be confiscated and redistributed)..
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When I was in SA in 2011, in my conversations with friends it was mentioned several times mention that Mozambique was recruiting "white farmers" to move. I don't recall the details offhand. Something like a 99 year lease on a buttload of land and low/no interest loans.

Mozambique decided they didn't like starving anymore, I suppose.
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When I was in SA in 2011, in my conversations with friends it was mentioned several times mention that Mozambique was recruiting "white farmers" to move. I don't recall the details offhand. Something like a 99 year lease on a buttload of land and low/no interest loans.

Mozambique decided they didn't like starving anymore, I suppose.
Met a guy at SHOT this year who told me that with Mugabe out, the government of Rhodesia is trying to get white farmers to come back. And some have actually done it.....:headshake: The currency is of course trashed, so apparently they're all operating on bitcoin.
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Same here, and they all fall into 2 groups.

1 - They have left SA.
2 - They are desperate to leave SA.
Yep. And you can bet that our Glorious Leader will not be as willing to facilitate the immigration of whites from RSA as he is to import Sudanese crime gangs.
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Old 8 March 2018, 07:32
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Moaning about race based politics is our national sport. For me perpetual negativity is a greater motivation to emigrate than any actual concern about the future.
Many of the comments in this thread are the same regurgitated BS heard around every South African braai fire, aka barbeque, and flooded on Facebook etc. I hardly socialise in ZA, and quite frankly spend as little time as possible here, because the conversations are like a stuck record. Moan moan fukken moan. The people are so gullible they latch on to every snippet the media/propagandists put out and it just fuels the flame.

@LRS guy: No African countries are falling over themselves to attract white safrican farmers. Total myth. Getting your hands on land in Mozambique particularly is pretty much out of the question. Even locals don't own land. You merely own the improvement you make on the land that you lease if you manage to obtain a lease. It is not an easy task to establish business or get residency in African countries as a foreigner.

@bobofthedesert: the de facto currency in Zim has been the USD for a long time already.
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Very interesting, Soutpiel.

I'd like to hear your take on things since you have first hand knowledge.

Would appreciate it.

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Moaning about race based politics is our national sport. For me perpetual negativity is a greater motivation to emigrate than any actual concern about the future.
Many of the comments in this thread are the same regurgitated BS heard around every South African braai fire, aka barbeque, and flooded on Facebook etc. I hardly socialise in ZA, and quite frankly spend as little time as possible here, because the conversations are like a stuck record. Moan moan fukken moan. The people are so gullible they latch on to every snippet the media/propagandists put out and it just fuels the flame.

@LRS guy: No African countries are falling over themselves to attract white safrican farmers. Total myth. Getting your hands on land in Mozambique particularly is pretty much out of the question. Even locals don't own land. You merely own the improvement you make on the land that you lease if you manage to obtain a lease. It is not an easy task to establish business or get residency in African countries as a foreigner.

@bobofthedesert: the de facto currency in Zim has been the USD for a long time already.
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Old 8 March 2018, 11:45
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The company I work for has a presence in Port Elizibeth. Every time a South African from that plant takes an assignment in the US, they apply for a green card as soon as possible. The only I know that went back when his assignment was up came back a year later and is now on a green card.
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My company has a biz unit in Cape Town. It's almost impossible to find people that meet the job requirements regardless of skin color.
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@bobofthedesert: the de facto currency in Zim has been the USD for a long time already.
Yes, true, for decades. But this guy was speaking of bitcoin use by people who don't want to be a target to be robbed of actual physical currency, or have it in a bank account inside Zimbabwe, which is the same thing.
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What is the status of the SADF? Still a majority white for troops and Officers? Be curious how many would obey orders?
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Is there a reason that the US is not getting involved in this to protect the farmers from a government that is violating their human rights and undertaking a campaign of terror and genocide?

It seems that we often get involved in situations like this and try to stop governments in other countries any time their citizens are being oppressed or hurt in a various aspects. We would always see it on the news cycle followed by a response from our government.

With this situation, I'm only seeing the reality on the internet. The news and MSM are not covering it and nobody seems to care.

What is the decision-making matrix that we use to decide when and how we should step in to help any given people around the globe and why is that not happening here?

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... I will be in northern South Africa (near the border with Botswana) in less than 2 weeks..

I plan on asking a lot of questions and doing a lot of detailed listening to the answers while I am there.......
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Is there a reason that the US is not getting involved in this to protect the farmers from a government that is violating their human rights and undertaking a campaign of terror and genocide?

It seems that we often get involved in situations like this and try to stop governments in other countries any time their citizens are being oppressed or hurt in a various aspects. We would always see it on the news cycle followed by a response from our government.

With this situation, I'm only seeing the reality on the internet. The news and MSM are not covering it and nobody seems to care.

What is the decision-making matrix that we use to decide when and how we should step in to help any given people around the globe and why is that not happening here?

What genocide and terror is occurring? Or is this another "woe is whitey they're out to get me" blubber?

Maybe you missed this above from a SOCNET member who is actually there.

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So are you saying the SA farmers are not being butchered and murdered at rates and in ways that defy description?
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So are you saying the SA farmers are not being butchered and murdered at rates and in ways that defy description?
Show me. Like I said we have guys from this site on the ground there.

From what I've found 74 people were murdered on farms between April 2016 and March 2017. 64 in 2015.

There were 19,016 murders in SA in 2016-2017, of which 74 of them occurred on farms.

I'm sure 99% of the murderers were black. And most of the 74 murdered on farms were likely white. Then again SA is majority black and minority white.

I haven't found stats for murders that have occurred since the topic of this thread was announced.

Nor have I found any systematic terror and genocide that our civilian photographer has alleged. Can you show me where that terror and genocide is at such a level that he thinks Uncle Sam should send American troops down to South Africa to have yet another war for?

I'll wait.
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It would be great if we finally stopped letting activist minded yellow journalism set our foreign policy - now, if someone starts a #savethefarmers movement, then we may have to act to show how much we care

but for now - I stopped being 'moved' by photojournalists years and years ago
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What is the status of the SADF? Still a majority white for troops and Officers? Be curious how many would obey orders?
No, not at all. Pre-(circa)1994 it was conscription for whites and voluntary for everyone else. As an interesting side note, see Koevoet for a majority Black (Namibian) SADF SF unit and also 32 Battalion with majority Black (Angolan warriors). Both of the aforementioned were amongst the world's best bush warfare fighting forces.

The SANDF (former SADF) is a very different military now.

From the www and referring to 2011, i have no idea how accurate or not this is:

(The term Coloured refers to a race of mixed African Black, White and Malay origins and is not a derogatory term as in the US and does not refer to all people who are not caucasian.)

"The uniformed services of the South African National Defence Force mustered 64 431 personnel in April this year, of whom 77.3% (49 831) were male, 72.3% (46 590) were black, 11.6% were Coloured, 744 (1.2%) were Indian and 14.9% (9591) were white.

When some 12 737 civilians are added, the total employment number rises to 77 168 of whom 54 503 (70.6%) are black, 12 106 (15.7%) white, 9687 (12.6%) Coloured and 872 (1.1%) Indian. This compares to Statistics SA's 2010 midyear estimated figures of Black African at 79.4%, White at 9.2%, Coloured at 8.8%, and Indian or Asian at 2.6%. The gender composition was 56 663 males (73.4%) versus 20 505 females (26.6%)"

Source: http://www.defenceweb[dot]co[dot]za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16708:fact-file-sandf-regular-force-levels-by-race-a-gender-april-30-2011-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159
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From this tax-paying voter opinion, it appears at the very least, we see a government that legislates the taking of land from some of it's citizens without compensation. Doing so focused on race. At the very most, we see government officials singing songs about, and outright advocating, violence against a minority group within their country based on race.

The US has often stepped up for the oppressed citizens of any given country when a government treats it's people wrong. I was curious as to why any power within the world right now was not even acknowledging it, let alone frowning upon it, offering assistance to the farmers, or possibly threatening to withhold aid to SA, let alone to the extent of even considering sanctions against it.

It looks as though Australia is showing sympathy and may be offering fast-track visas for farmers interested in relocating.
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