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Old 18 October 2012, 00:17
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This thread went from discussing a train wreck experiment, to its very own train wreck.
Sorry guys. I agree with the very well written article the Captain wrote. She makes a valid point on all fronts.

I wholeheartly agree with everything she has written. And hope she does get promoted. I am assuming that more than likey they will medically discharge her.

Our bodies are just not made to meet the physical requirements needed in my opinion.

Here is an example. How effective could a female be if she had to be MEDVACED out of a area because of a ruptured ovarian cyst? Lets not forget that in theory a woman could get pregnant right before she deploys. But if that pregancy was etopic which will not show up on a pregnancy test and several months went by in the field it could kill her.

Our health issues and our mental state is much different than a males. Including all the other issues that could arise. Sexual Harrassment, MST. I think by intergrating women into these units it would effect the discpline and moral of most males.

Do not get me wrong I will state this again I think women have a place in the military just not with Combat units.

Do not take me for a wimp because when it comes to protecting my children or family I would not hesitate to use deadly force.
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Old 18 October 2012, 07:16
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How in the hell did this thread go from women in the Infantry to stories of relationshits, sex as a weapon and sexbots?
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Old 18 October 2012, 08:36
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OK, let's get back on subject or I will close the thread.

I don't think we need another discussion about the different views of sex by men and women.
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Old 18 October 2012, 09:32
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Our bodies are just not made to meet the physical requirements needed in my opinion.

Here is an example. How effective could a female be if she had to be MEDVACED out of a area because of a ruptured ovarian cyst? Lets not forget that in theory a woman could get pregnant right before she deploys. But if that pregancy was etopic which will not show up on a pregnancy test and several months went by in the field it could kill her.
I'm as staunch an opponent of chicks being assigned to combat arms units (especially infantry) as anyone. But the above example isn't a good one. It involves the possibility of an illness -- which in the end, so what? Guys get sick, too. A ruptured ovarian cyst? How about a appendicitis? Or maybe gallstones? Anyway -- chicks' bodies are set up to compete effectively in combat arms gigs, but illness isn't something I tend to think of when considering why....
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Old 18 October 2012, 10:23
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..... Anyway -- chicks' bodies are set up to compete effectively in combat arms gigs, but illness isn't something I tend to think of when considering why....
Aren't?
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Old 18 October 2012, 10:32
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OK, let's get back on subject or I will close the thread.

I don't think we need another discussion about the different views of sex by men and women.
I have a major correction to make, but if I go back and make it in my former post, I'm thinking I'm still within your directives.

ETA: Oops, it won't let me do an ETA. C'est la vie.
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Old 18 October 2012, 10:41
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Aren't?
Correct, "aren't", my bad on the previous spelling error....
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Old 18 October 2012, 19:04
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How in the hell did this thread go from women in the Infantry to stories of relationshits, sex as a weapon and sexbots?


Well...I think Socnet has a LONG history of massive thread derails...I mean...North Hollywood Firefight Thread, anyone?
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Old 18 October 2012, 22:09
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I'm waiting for some of our IDF friends to chime in here. Don't they have women in their infantry units? I'd be interested to hear how they have handled it.

If I remember correctly they still don't have women in their tier 1 units.

I believe hygiene issues would be a problem for women in the field. SOTB mentioned the issue of dogs seeking out women who are flowing...

Honestly though, why can't we just agree that men and women are good at different things and instead of trying to force a round peg into a square hole we should play to the strengths of both genders?

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Old 18 October 2012, 22:14
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I'm waiting for some of our IDF friends to chime in here. Don't they have women in their infantry units? I'd be interested to hear how they have handled it.

If I remember correctly they still don't have women in their tier 1 units.

I believe hygiene issues would be a problem for women in the field. SOTB mentioned the issue of dogs seeking out women who are flowing...

Honestly though, why can't we just agree that men and women are good at different things and instead of trying to force a round peg into a square hole we should play to the strengths of both genders?

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My take on that...their "infantry," units are not expeditionary. They don't have to patrol for days on end looking for contact with the enemy...they fight a war within their own borders. They only have to 'patrol,' a few miles to find the enemy. I don't think their women would do so well under more common Infantry conditions.
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Old 18 October 2012, 22:15
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I'm as staunch an opponent of chicks being assigned to combat arms units (especially infantry) as anyone. But the above example isn't a good one. It involves the possibility of an illness -- which in the end, so what? Guys get sick, too. A ruptured ovarian cyst? How about a appendicitis? Or maybe gallstones? Anyway -- chicks' bodies are set up to compete effectively in combat arms gigs, but illness isn't something I tend to think of when considering why....
Agreed...not a deciding factor.
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Old 29 October 2012, 17:14
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I think the strongest lesson learned in this whole debacle is that even the best and most physically prepared women still cannot compete with your average male in areas of physical strength and endurance.

The most compelling point is the fact you HAVE TO KNOW the Marine Corps screened and sent the most physically capable women they had to the course so they would not catch political flack for appearing to have sandbag'd the possibility of women in the infantry. Its my understanding that many males also find themselves quitting and that is being to used to justify these two women quitting as par for the course. Not so, as they were most likely two of the best female officers the Marine Corps has to offer. So what are the chances that your average Marine Corps female will be successful?
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Old 29 October 2012, 22:19
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When talking to a member of the recently disbanded Canadian Parachute Regiment back in the mid 90's, he informed me that the Canadian Forces had done their own version of this where some whiskeys were sent to Infantry school. Most DOR'ed, only one passed. When they offered her a choice of Infantry units to be assigned to she informed them that among other things she had learned in Infantry school was that she didn't want to be in an Infantry unit......
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Old 29 October 2012, 22:21
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When they offered her a choice of Infantry units to be assigned to she informed them that among other things she had learned in Infantry school was that she didn't want to be in an Infantry unit......
LOL. I'm a guy and I came to the same conclusion....
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Old 30 October 2012, 01:36
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LOL. I'm a guy and I came to the same conclusion....
Took the words out of my mouth!
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Old 30 October 2012, 09:25
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As Grunts we all must be a bit Bi polar because we piss, moan and complain the whole time in the field and when we get back to the rear talk shit about how if "you ain't a Grunt you ain't shit!" and call everyone else Poeg's (sp?) But I wouldn't have had it any other way!
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Old 30 October 2012, 09:49
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Old 30 October 2012, 09:51
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I'm waiting for some of our IDF friends to chime in here. Don't they have women in their infantry units? I'd be interested to hear how they have handled it.

If I remember correctly they still don't have women in their tier 1 units.
What makes you think we don't have females in any of our Tier 1 units?

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What makes you think we don't have females in any of our Tier 1 units?

I know for a fact that we Aussies do!
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Old 2 November 2012, 13:44
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1st Two Females Fail USMC Infantry Course

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Two 2nd Lieutenant females, members of the 1st class of the Infantry Officer's course to allow them to attend, failed to complete. One dropped for unspecified medical reasons, but she's reportedly in good shape, and the other failed to complete a combat endurance test.

So we'll see how the experiment goes in the future.
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