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Old 5 March 2018, 03:49
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Excuse the double post here, but there is another angle related to "agenda" that pertains to this topic.

A subject under the influence of this chemical is susceptible to brainwashing and a certain level of control by an experienced person. It's no surprise that Charles Manson used to fully dose his clan while taking much smaller doses himself. To promote the use of this drug to an open audience will most likely find the users in the company of left-leaning liberals where indoctrination will take a greater hold of the dosed candidate. A portion of MK Ultra was an exploration of the potential exploitation of acid that failed, in my opinion, only because the handlers lacked the depth of a personal degree of a greatly intense and sustained experience with it themselves. No agent ever did a "thumbprint" and came out of it ready to rock on. "3-5 sheets to the wind".

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Old 5 March 2018, 07:02
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Agree 8654.

The overwhelming majority of normal people that use this drug will lean toward silly hippy concepts. Emotional and idealistic but not practical nor grounded. The suspension of reality, while allowing a person to go within, separates them from the core concepts of here and now and tomorrow. There are ideals that are nice and wishful thinking as far as going beyond your one life here on earth, but it tends to make people lose sight of this very specific life here on earth right now and the priorities and responsibilities that come with that.

"Who cares about washing and being clean, man, it's all about the music."

Very few people are actually capable of sustaining an academic approach to this with the inevitable recreational symptoms that come along with such psychedelic experiences.

It's also no surprise that the article comes from Spain, a country where LSD is more plentiful and popular than here in the US. On that note, a question in my mind will always remain whether most people these days are truly taking LSD-25 or a research drug with very similar effects that can actually be dangerous.
I can get behind that statement.
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Old 5 March 2018, 09:00
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My takeaway from the way this article was written is “hey kids, it’s cool to drop acid, as long as it’s ‘microdosages’ we’re talking about….why look at this Stanford graduate who we’ll call ‘Ken’…Ken had an ‘epic’ experience and now he’s rocking a startup ”(never mind that ‘Ken’ can’t pay his f’ing rent)

All these ‘techies’ are doing it to help with their creative side, so it can’t be all bad. ….just look what technology is doing for our society! (I remember when cocaine was the ‘in’ drug because you know….it’s non addicting ).

People will buy that line of subversive bullshit reasoning/advertising. This article will be picked up on by other news organizations, become repeated enough, and become gospel.

This is the kind of subversion I can see our enemies putting out
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Old 5 March 2018, 09:27
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That said, the article is less than responsible by pushing the good without putting warnings out about it. They don't even mention the dangers of someone on MAOI inhibitors trying this stuff, someone trying it alone, looking in the mirror while doing it, etc.
Is all this based off of experience or ?

Because I knew all kinds of motherfuckers in the 90s in the 82d dropping acid, on planes, in titty bars surrounded by mirrors, etc, etc....I don't recall anyone ever going crazy or any other nonsense on it...
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Old 5 March 2018, 17:16
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Being surrounded by mirrors is not the same thing as looking into a mirror with intent and staring into the eyes of one's reflection.

For most people, recognizing the shell but finding themselves locked into a gaze with the soul of a stranger can be confusing at best, terrifying at worst, but for many people is likely to bring about what's known as a "bad trip". The potential negative results here have nothing to do with anyone "going crazy", but rather a very unpleasant experience that could easily have been avoided. I do not know what "any other nonsense" means to you, nor what it should mean to me or the general audience.
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Old 5 March 2018, 18:43
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Being surrounded by mirrors is not the same thing as looking into a mirror with intent and staring into the eyes of one's reflection.

For most people, recognizing the shell but finding themselves locked into a gaze with the soul of a stranger can be confusing at best, terrifying at worst, but for many people is likely to bring about what's known as a "bad trip". The potential negative results here have nothing to do with anyone "going crazy", but rather a very unpleasant experience that could easily have been avoided. I do not know what "any other nonsense" means to you, nor what it should mean to me or the general audience.
So again are you speaking from experience first or second hand or something you read somewhere?

You’re posting as though you have authoritative experience.

But to me it sounds like “drugs are bad mmmmkay” myths.

A quick search shows the mirror thing to be overblown myth.
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Being surrounded by mirrors is not the same thing as looking into a mirror with intent and staring into the eyes of one's reflection.

For most people, recognizing the shell but finding themselves locked into a gaze with the soul of a stranger can be confusing at best, terrifying at worst, but for many people is likely to bring about what's known as a "bad trip". The potential negative results here have nothing to do with anyone "going crazy", but rather a very unpleasant experience that could easily have been avoided. I do not know what "any other nonsense" means to you, nor what it should mean to me or the general audience.
So what you're saying is you're high right now.
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Old 5 March 2018, 20:40
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Is all this based off of experience or ?

Because I knew all kinds of motherfuckers in the 90s in the 82d dropping acid, on planes, in titty bars surrounded by mirrors, etc, etc....I don't recall anyone ever going crazy or any other nonsense on it...
I don't want to derail this but...... Were you an NCO at the time? Did you beat their ass? Did they "drop" it during training? Would you trust them to JMPI you and give an accurate spot?
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Old 5 March 2018, 20:45
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I have encountered enough people on acid and I can't remember one single event that was positive in any way. But, much like statistics, I guess someone can make what they want to sound good. Personally, I'm still waiting for someone to show me a good situation concerning the use of acid -- especially outside a controlled environment.

I really don't care what they do inside controlled environments as that isn't a reality that the world has to deal with.
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I don't want to derail this but......
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Old 6 March 2018, 12:31
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I don't want to derail this but...... Were you an NCO at the time? Did you beat their ass? Did they "drop" it during training? Would you trust them to JMPI you and give an accurate spot?
Drug abuse has been an issue in every single unit in the military because military units are populated with humans.

How well it's concealed and/or internally addressed is a completely different issue.

Having seen it in a very high performing unit, and a very low performing unit, I can tell you that the same types did it, for the same reasons, fully realizing they were going to get the boot if found out.
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Old 6 March 2018, 13:58
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Drug abuse has been an issue in every single unit in the military because military units are populated with humans.

How well it's concealed and/or internally addressed is a completely different issue.

Having seen it in a very high performing unit, and a very low performing unit, I can tell you that the same types did it, for the same reasons, fully realizing they were going to get the boot if found out.
Got it, I'm not naive, my comment was based on if they were doing it on duty, during a jump etc.. In '87 a friend of mine popped for cocaine on a piss test we took in the field. We had been in the field for 4 days doing live fire etc.. 1stSgt and the SACO rolled up in the M151 at 0400, lined up everyone to piss. Kids dad was a retired SgtMaj, VN veteran and flew down Reno the next day (after our 1stSgt called him). The 1stSgt gave use of his office for dad to give his son some "wall to wall" counseling.
Sorry for the derail folks.
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Old 6 March 2018, 16:08
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Being the 1SG of a training company in the late 80's we caught odd shit now and again because we had TAC's.

One was to sit on a drug addict for two weeks until he could be thrown out of the Army. He was gone, long and deep into drugs. The lights were on but nobody was home.

He had been an instructor on one of the committees and got addicted. Pawned everything he had and went AWOL as they were trying to put him out. When they finally caught up with him all he had was the gray PT sweat suit.

Got a call from the CSM to come to his office. Found the CSM and the druggy. CSM said we would keep him under control of the TAC's 24/7 until he could be put out. TAC's hated it and rushed things along as fast as they could.

Just another one who thought he could handle it.
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Old 6 March 2018, 17:21
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It doesn't seem like a "derail" when the thread is about the existence (or non-existence) of progressive agendas and here we are discussing the level of tolerance for service members dropping acid as though it is just another day at the office.

Right or Wrong - Good Unit or bad unit - paratroopers on acid seems to dovetail nicely with a discussion on progressive agendas.
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Old 7 March 2018, 04:37
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LSD was once given to soldiers to see how they'd react as a pilot progream to test the waters for any strategic use against an enemy. From the perspective of the troops, some may claim "I learned it by watching you."

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Old 20 March 2018, 14:47
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I saw this video on my social media and thought it was a great way to inoculate people from listening to any dissenting opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psmpWVuCb8s

Now they are training folks that the people that disagree with them online are not necessarily real people, just Russian trolls.

The whole remove the humanity from the enemy thing makes it easier to hate them and what not.

Interesting times indeed. Defensive propaganda to immunize your flock from common sense or notification that the emperor has no clothes.

I think the results of the mid-terms will be very determinative on the nation's ability to recover from 8 years of fantasy land march towards socialism.
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I think the results of the mid-terms will be very determinative on the nation's ability to recover from 8 years of fantasy land march towards socialism.
Anything that counters the narrative is going to be vilified, mocked, or exposed by the left at this point.

Whether it's SNL, Vice, NYT, MSNBC...it's all just more of the same which is decisively driving our country into an irreparable division.

How that will look longterm is the question that nobody can answer with certainty, but just as the right clamored to the illegitimacy of a Kenyan-born President, now the left is clamoring around collusion with Russia.

I can't even begin to imagine the lunacy that will follow this debacle.
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Old 20 March 2018, 17:36
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I would love to see the heatmap of ebb and flow of these talking points as they matriculate through FB and other social ecosystems.

IE - i read seeing that video as a response to pacify the Mob from a distasteful experience that made them start questioning the carefully developed reality from the ivory tower.

It would be interesting to see a data visualization of how this messaging and counter messaging travels the human terrain.

With the speed of comms on hyper drive, the clear messages and talking points of past generations are getting tangled on themselves now. You see liberals saying 'Take the guns' to 'We need guns to protect us from Trump' to 'Misogeny is bad' to 'Islam is good' and on the other side you see conservatives saying 'Terrorists are bad' and 'We need security' to 'Not this kind of security' to 'We like the middle class' to 'Tariffs are bad'.

It is kind of funny to see the speed at which flip flopping is now occurring.

Interesting times....
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Pretty messed up story no matter how you look at it.

2 nice, progressive ladies decide to adopt 6 kids (just guessing on the progressive part but I think it's a smart one) all of whom happen to be black...are hailed as such great people, guiding lights of their movement...and then it turns out that they were beating the crap out of at least one kid...starving them, and generally treating them like crap.

Oh, and after CPS shows up at their house they flee Washington for California with the kids where their car happens to go over a cliff killing everyone on board.

And now that their background has come out their little friends are so sad and upset that they are "being tried in the court of public opinion." http://komonews.com/news/local/they-...ch-for-answers

Fuck them. Child abusing fucks deserved a lot worse and those kids far better. And the same people crying for them are the same who would be the first to point fingers at anyone with beliefs different than their own.

There should be a lot of soul searching going on right now about what signs were missed and what else could have been done to protect the 6 kids but instead it's just wailing about how good they are.

Waste of life.
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Pretty messed up story no matter how you look at it.

2 nice, progressive ladies decide to adopt 6 kids (just guessing on the progressive part but I think it's a smart one) all of whom happen to be black...are hailed as such great people, guiding lights of their movement...and then it turns out that they were beating the crap out of at least one kid...starving them, and generally treating them like crap.

Oh, and after CPS shows up at their house they flee Washington for California with the kids where their car happens to go over a cliff killing everyone on board.

And now that their background has come out their little friends are so sad and upset that they are "being tried in the court of public opinion." http://komonews.com/news/local/they-...ch-for-answers

Fuck them. Child abusing fucks deserved a lot worse and those kids far better. And the same people crying for them are the same who would be the first to point fingers at anyone with beliefs different than their own.

There should be a lot of soul searching going on right now about what signs were missed and what else could have been done to protect the 6 kids but instead it's just wailing about how good they are.

Waste of life.
Not sure this should be in the progressive agenda thread. I do wholeheartedly agree that child abusers deserve no quarter and all the punishment that can be dealt out.
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