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Old 1 March 2018, 04:01
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South Africa, soon to come unglued

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oved-land.html

Seems SA will be going down the Zimbabwe path very soon. You already have the water system breaking down, largely due to tribal politics, so I'm reading.

At best, we're going to see (more) starvation and fuckery(absent the stupid West feeding them). Wonder how long til the Chicoms move to exploit this clownery? S/F....Ken M
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Old 1 March 2018, 04:25
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Seems SA will be going down the Zimbabwe path very soon. You already have the water system breaking down, largely due to tribal politics, so I'm reading.

At best, we're going to see (more) starvation and fuckery(absent the stupid West feeding them). Wonder how long til the Chicoms move to exploit this clownery? S/F....Ken M
SA will very soon be the new "Wakanda".
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Old 1 March 2018, 04:27
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'The time for reconciliation is over; now is the time for justice,' EFF leader Julius Malema told parliament.
Seems that a fine Soviet-style takeover of property is about to take place. Masses will be ecstatic, of course. time for justice, no mor exploitation, etc. When reality starts to sink in, Mr. Malema and his pals will have probably jumped ship with money, leaving masses wondering wtf happened. Or maybe they are so stupid they genuinely believe in the righteousness of this move.

I do think that the issues brought forth by Apartheid run so deep that it was bound to happen. Sort of a mark on this country that had to cause problems sooner or later. It's a great argument and tool to be employed when the right time comes, generally everything about their mentality was summed in the sentence I quoted above. That is: Reconcilliation was fun, but now we take back everything you prepared for us, because we can and because apartheid. We'll see how it works out in 5-10 years IMO.
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Old 1 March 2018, 05:24
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Very disturbing. Have many very close SA friends. A beautiful country, and of all my travels, SA is the top of the list of memorable experiences . This is going to get bad. The pot has been cooking for over a decade and many saw/predicted this coming.
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Old 1 March 2018, 06:02
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Ah, Rhodesia. One time I looked up the economic data then vs today, adjusted for population.... #fail.
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This is very bad. I have been there and have many friends there. I suspect it could get bloody, there no where else for the "White Tribe" to go.
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Old 1 March 2018, 10:55
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Been a long time coming; lots of problems over the last 20 years. Things are just now boiling over.
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SA will very soon be the new "Wakanda".
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I do think that the issues brought forth by Apartheid run so deep that it was bound to happen.
Much like slavery in America. 150+ years since it was ended and it's still causes social issues.
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Old 1 March 2018, 11:59
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Something tells me when the lands are desolate and no farms can feed the people there will be a way to blame the whites for abandoning the SA people.
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This is very bad. I have been there and have many friends there. I suspect it could get bloody, there no where else for the "White Tribe" to go.
They can back to England, or move to Australia.
They can be a living testament to Communism.
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They can back to England, or move to Australia.
They can be a living testament to Communism.
Wonít matter. Those people think Socialism (Communism without AK-47ís) is great.
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They can back to England, or move to Australia.
They can be a living testament to Communism.
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Wonít matter. Those people think Socialism (Communism without AK-47ís) is great.
The AK-47's are still present - they are just kept out of sight for the secret police to use on you when you resist the establishment.
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They can back to England, or move to Australia.
They can be a living testament to Communism.
They can't. Many of them have. Pretty much anyone who's still there can't leave.
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White Flight has been rampant in the past few years. I drove past this location with a local that had friends memorialized there. https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/farml...rosses-1310603

The entire thing reeks of reparations with no forward-looking plan for the future.

S.A. is a beautiful country. I truly hope that some benevolence spawns before violence erupts.
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They can't. Many of them have. Pretty much anyone who's still there can't leave.
Imagine all the ships that will be heading there to rescue the poor white refugee's.....
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Very disturbing. Have many very close SA friends.
Same here, and they all fall into 2 groups.

1 - They have left SA.
2 - They are desperate to leave SA.
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I'm wondering if there will be a lot of "Refugees Welcome" signs and calls of support should this turn violent on a larger scale.
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The world will turn its back on the white farmers of SA. This will be payback in the extreme. Doesn't matter to those idiots that they will destroy the country in the process. But after it's over we will spend our tax money to fund the completely useless UN effort to fix it.
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The world will turn its back on the white farmers of SA. This will be payback in the extreme. Doesn't matter to those idiots that they will destroy the country in the process. But after it's over we will spend our tax money to fund the completely useless UN effort to fix it.
I tend to agree with SOTB’s perspective (RIP) regrading Africa. No money, no welfare or assistance from U.S. Let them sort it out and when they’re ready to sit down at the adult table and act like big boys and girls then we will talk. If I was there, I’d be pissed that I had not skedaddled a hell of a lot earlier and would be making every effort to shit and git asap before it turns into Zimbabwe Part II. My two centavos....

Edited to add: TIA
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I too have dozens of people I communicate with in South Africa routinely.. most of them are directly impacted by this decision in SA's parliament as they are ranchers and farmers and own significant tracts of land..

Most of them are nervous.. but most are also taking a "wait and see" approach.. therefore I am doing the same..

The land confiscation without compensation debate is nothing new in South Africa.. its been going on for decades.. The person that brought the motion before parliament, Julius Malema is generally not well liked or well regarded in South African politics.. he is the former president of the ANC's Youth League, but was kicked out of the ANC several years ago.. he now is the head of a political party called the "Economic Freedom Fighters".. He is well known for corruption.. has been convicted on a variety of crimes in the South African courts, and has been charged with a number of others that he has managed to get off the hook on..

Long and the short of it is he is a well known Marxist radical.. and while it caught a lot of people by surprise that this motion passed.. Much of what Malema is saying to the media about the intent of this motion and how they will execute it, doesnt appear to be supported by the other political parties or other prominent South African leaders..

That doesnt mean the groundwork hasnt been laid, and that some really bad things couldnt come from all of this..

It just means nothing is really well defined yet.. and most of the SA farmers and ranchers I have been talking with, while not happy or optimistic, arent running around wild in a constant state of worry about their personal or financial well being just yet..

Some key points...

* The South African government is sitting on 4300+ farms that have long since been paid for, were redistributed to black South Africans and tribal groups, etc... but the land is literally just sitting, going unused.. There is speculation that these are the farms that will be expropriated "without compensation", and redistributed again, but this time with strings attached, which include a requirement that the farms become productive, or they will be taken back yet again, and given to someone else..

* The motion that was passed does not give the government the right to take land.. what it does is give the government the ability to look at the feasibility of amending the "property clause" in the SA Constitution.

* SA President Ramaphosa has made several public statements both before and after this decision that shows he understands how important it is that SA lands remain productive and that the farming community represents a HUGE piece of the SA economy.. many doubt he will just roll over and allow a situation that causes commercial farming to potentially collapse.. it would kill their economy.. and thereby kill his presidency..

* Roughly 60% of South Africans are < 30 years old. Unemployment among <30 year olds in SA is approximately 40%. Assume roughly 50% of this group is male. So.. you have a young, testosterone charged, poor, disenfranchised population that demands change.. The ANC has been in power since the end of Apartheid, but the EFF is growing in numbers, influence, power, and money rapidly.. Thus, the ANC is faced with the same problem Mugabe faced in Zimbabwe a little less than 20 years ago.. the big question Ramaphosa and the ANC have to answer is what can they do to change and actually IMPROVE things.... most believe that both the president and the ANC are smart enough to know that a major land grab would actually make things worse very quickly.. and that would likely be the catalyst that puts the EFF into power.. which is something they do not want..

Again, dont read me wrong.. I am not saying there is nothing for the SA land owners to worry about.. those I am talking to clearly have their eyes wide open right now and are watching things very closely..

But most I am talking to arent frantic or terribly nervous just yet..


I know we have a few SA nationals that frequent SOCNET.. I'd be curious to get their insight and opinion on the current state of affairs..
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