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Old 12 October 2017, 12:30
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And WTF is with the Security guard's story? First it was said that he was investigating the sound of a drill being used --- now it's (according to NPR) he was investigating a door alarm for another room on the same floor? Or was it the smoke from the gunfire that set off the alarm.........but wait, I thought the smoke alarms were disabled? This story changes more than my excuses for why the cookie jar was empty, yet my mouth had a ring of chocolate around it when I was a kid........
And yet another story here.
A worker was checking a jammed fire door when he heard the shots and saw the SG peeking around a corner?

This story has more twists and turns day by day.
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Old 12 October 2017, 12:40
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Yeah but Campos didn't even see the dude --- as he "shot through the door". So do we KNOW it was him firing? Yeah yeah, tinfoil I know......

It is odd that he waited for 6 minutes. But I can possibly buy that for some last minute prep-work with no real problem. What is extremely strange, to me at least, is that he fired for 10 minutes or so.......then literally sat there for an hour before SWAT breached (while still having over 1000 rounds of ammo). Maybe he suddenly came to a staunch realization of what he just did and said "fuck the escape plan and living on the run for the rest of my life" and used the expedited checkout option. It's possible. A strong possible. But the entire story is predicated on the fact that he's a "lone gunman" and that he meticulously planned and executed this thing anywhere from a year to a decade before he acted. Complete with explosives, "deadly tracers", escape plans, and other nefarious schemes that the media is speculating on.

IMO, and I'm no alphabet profiler or SME on the matter (so anyone correct me if I'm wrong), but the whole "he's just insane" excuse that's used as a general purpose hole-filler for plot gaps isn't something I'm really comfortable with just accepting as fact when there's pretty much no evidence at all he was mentally deficient. Being insane doesn't lend itself well to planning and executing something like this, for an untrained person.

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And yet another story here.
A worker was checking a jammed fire door when he heard the shots and saw the SG peeking around a corner?

This story has more twists and turns day by day.
Reading the article it doesn't appear that it's any different (Unless I'm missing something?). The worker was fixing a door alarm, heard the shots and saw the SG, wounded in the knee, telling him to take cover as he radioed the Hotel.
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Old 12 October 2017, 12:49
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Don't know much about false flag operations, conspiracy theories or government sponsored shenanigans, but I do know that the scope of the crime scene is enormous spanning multiple agencies and states and a data set that will take a Herculean effort to compile, correlate and analyze.

I suspect that the findings of the investigation will take years to release because no draft narrative survives first contact. (Anyone who has been a part of an Article 32 investigation conducted downrange probably rarely saw the final report).
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Old 12 October 2017, 12:58
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Then fucked around for SIX MINUTES before starting on the crowd below.
Things don't always have to be complicated or mysterious. Maybe he took a bathroom break to drop a deuce.
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Old 12 October 2017, 12:58
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So here is my question......

Why didn't the SG call in the "shots fired" over the radio. They all have radios.....don't they?
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Old 12 October 2017, 13:02
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So here is my question......

Why didn't the SG call in the "shots fired" over the radio. They all have radios.....don't they?
Do they? That's an assumption of your part.
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Old 12 October 2017, 13:14
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So here is my question......

Why didn't the SG call in the "shots fired" over the radio. They all have radios.....don't they?
Every single SG I have seen working in a casino resort is connected to central security via radio. Every one.

Heck even most engineering and maintenance workers have radios.
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Old 12 October 2017, 13:26
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Sorry I wasn't more clear. I didn't make an assumption. I asked the question. Maybe its different for Mandalay but every one of the big ones that I have stayed at in Vegas, their SG's or Security staff all had radios.
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Old 12 October 2017, 13:27
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Things don't always have to be complicated or mysterious. Maybe he took a bathroom break to drop a deuce.
With a round in his leg!

Yes sir I know you were being sarcastic....
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Old 12 October 2017, 13:33
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Security, whether it be at a casino and hotel in Vegas or anywhere else, is considered an added cost, an expense that doesn't really contribute to the bottom line.

I'm not saying that Mandalay Bay and other casinos in Vegas don't have well trained and equipped security guards, but my guess is that most security that is applied at a casino is centered on the gaming areas and is focused on catching cheaters, both players and employees.

The security that is provided to the general well being of the guests at the hotel is most likely perfunctory, meeting whatever standards the state may have laid out for them and no more. Security is not considered a value added expense or investment that adds to the corporation's bottom line. It detracts from it.

When I came out of the Army in '91 I was looking for a bridge job to keep me busy and bring in some income while I went back to school, so I applied at a local hotel that adjoined the horse racing track in the town I grew up in. I met the security manager at the front desk and he escorted me down to his "office" for an interview, the "office" essentially being what amounted to a fairly small closet space in the kitchen area.

I could tell right away that this operation was an afterthought and the hotel was just doing the minimum amount necessary to meet its insurance obligations in order to indemnify them against any lawsuits resulting from a situation that might have been mitigated with a security force.

I went through the interview in a perfunctory manner, knowing that I wasn't going to accept the position, didn't even get to the point where I asked about salary, I knew it would be rock bottom low. Basically hotel security is there more as a requirement for the insurance policies that hotels have, and hopefully they're good enough to spot a fire before it gets out of control or tactfully handle the drunks that always seem to be getting over served at the hotel watering hole.

Dealing with a mass murderer who is armed with a lot of weapons and ammo generally isn't in the job description, but I'm sure both the maintenance guy and the security guard did the best they could under the extreme circumstances that they found themselves in.
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Old 12 October 2017, 13:54
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The Mandalay Bay has been a dump for a while. I'm not surprised by anything that's coming out.
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Old 12 October 2017, 14:07
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Another thing that nags at me is the 200 shots that were fired through the door at the (now quiet?) security guard Jesus Compos, which evidently (new timeline) where the first shots fired... when Compos responded to some type of alarm.

So Paddock shot, reloaded, and shot again (several magazines?) to get 200 rounds through the door. Seriously? Then fucked around for SIX MINUTES before starting on the crowd below?

I'm not saying that's impossible...just seems unlikely, to me.
That bothers me as well. He knew the threat and probably knew SG's at the Mandalay aren't armed. I'm wondering if there was more than one episode of him firing through the door.

I still haven't heard anything about the hotel security cameras in the hallways. I assume, like most casino/hotels, they have them, but maybe not.

The hotel made a point to publicly dispute the timeline, which at least suggests they have evidence to support their version of the story.
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Old 12 October 2017, 14:51
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Looks like they have a fairly large security staff at the Mandalay and recently joined the SPFPA.

http://www.spfpa.org/news/historic-win-las-vegas.html
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Old 12 October 2017, 15:22
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Why? He was watching and thought LE was en route to his room so he did what he had to do. Didn't see anymore and then went on with his plan. What's unusual about that?
200 rounds (that's a fucking lot of mags) through the door. Not exactly low-key. Then six LONG minutes after firing, what, several magazines. I don't know, something just bugs me about that whole timeline.

After alerting the entire world with 200rounds...and the adrenaline fully pumping...six minutes would be an eternity.

Just sayin.

Then crickets, from the security guard.
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Old 12 October 2017, 15:28
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I saw some Surefire 100 rounders in the crime scene photos. Doesn't really take long at all to mag-dump 2 of those with a bumpfire.
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Old 12 October 2017, 15:50
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Things don't always have to be complicated or mysterious. Maybe he took a bathroom break to drop a deuce.
Understood, and don't necessarily disagree. But assholes tend to pucker with an adrenaline dump. And here's a guy that's inexperienced being mr-cool-as-a-cucumber? After a crazy-assed 200 rounds through the door.

It's just the amount of sketchy, convoluted bullshit and conflicting/changing "official" stories (and crickets) that are nagging me on this one.
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Old 12 October 2017, 17:28
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IMO, and I'm no alphabet profiler or SME on the matter (so anyone correct me if I'm wrong), but the whole "he's just insane" excuse that's used as a general purpose hole-filler for plot gaps isn't something I'm really comfortable with just accepting as fact when there's pretty much no evidence at all he was mentally deficient. Being insane doesn't lend itself well to planning and executing something like this, for an untrained person.

You don't have to be insane to be evil. Just as not all insane people are evil, not all evil people are insane. I give you, ISIS.
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Old 12 October 2017, 18:05
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Looking at this event from the outside perspective and applying the variable of some sort of shadowy power broker/lobby group within the U.S. Government being the animators of this shooting I see an angle that might be worked on here. That angle is - power thru fear. If the populace is being terrorized by situations like this they can ultimately be conditioned to give up their rights one after the other until they are basically slaves. All for their protection and safety, of course. No guns, no rights, omnipresent police state with total control over minds and lives of its people. And even then there would be shootings, terrorist events etc. Because the boogeyman, a wolf in the bushes is always needed to keep the sheeple under control and willing to be fleeced.

But to do this you'd probably need more than just this one shooting, so if we consider the above theory to be even remotely plausible there might be more situations like the Vegas shooting yet to come. And this conditioning would take years (even though given how malleable young minds are today I don't think it would take long).
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Old 12 October 2017, 18:49
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Ann Coulter (I know, I know) had a take I hadn't thought of:

The MSM just keeps repeating that he made a living playing video poker, which is mathematically impossible.
Him having that many guns around points to his obsessive video poker playing as a form of money laundering of his profits as an illegal arms dealer.
In the same way that people managed to keep quiet the open secret of Harvey Weinstein's activities because too many important people would be implicated by the truth, perhaps it is more convenient for some important people if the truth of the alleged shooter's acquaintances remained unknown.
That doesn't mean he wasn't crazy, it doesn't mean there was anyone else involved, and it doesn't mean the facts of the case are significantly different than what has been officially discussed.
It might just involve people who dealt with him in the past who could be embarrassed by association, and therefore influence investigations to not look in certain directions.
Fast and Furious took place not too far away. Not all the guns were ever recovered. Yet.
Nobody makes a living at video poker, and any reporter who has visited a casino knows it, but no reporter will scratch the surface of what he really did for a living and who his clients were.
Nope, that's not strange at all.
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Old 12 October 2017, 19:06
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Latest rumor is the shooter was an FBI agent, well, he was doing some sort of fast n furious arms deal with isis: isis somehow found out that Mr Paddock was in the FBI, so they killed him, fired on the concert goers and then fled. This is a u tube video with some bald tattooed guy in a dark room acting as if he’s gotten this information from the hacker group anonymous, who supposedly hacked the LVPD.

Scary propaganda I believe.
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