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Old 15 December 2015, 01:56
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The Kandahar "airfield" is a different entity from the Kandahar "airport".
Please show me where the "airport" is that is not KAF???
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Old 15 December 2015, 09:04
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Please show me where the "airport" is that is not KAF???
The Kandahar Air Field (KAF) is secured by military/NATO. Afghans and other non-NATO folks can not fly from KAF unless escorted.

The Kandahar Airport is secured by the Afghans (ANA/ANP/ABP) where, the "local" civilians fly out from; you won't see Afghan civilian flights landing on KAF, they land at the airport.

KAF falls within/inside the security perimeter of the airport.
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Old 15 December 2015, 09:50
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A better picture of the Kandahar "International" Airport.

You will not see this structure/terminal on the Kandahar Air Field (KAF).
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Old 15 December 2015, 12:12
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They may use the same runway

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Please show me where the "airport" is that is not KAF???
...but they are not the same entity.
As stated before one is butted up against the other but is not part of the other. Never has been.
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Old 15 December 2015, 12:48
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...but they are not the same entity.
As stated before one is butted up against the other but is not part of the other. Never has been.
It ain't that difficult too get through the MIG gate. Hell! I've eaten fried chicken, doughnuts and drank peach tea with the Afghans to expedite movement through the MIG gate.

Entry onto KAF and the "civilian" airport are two different places; you & Zak have driven it plenty of times, even in the middle of the night to pick-up clients.
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Old 15 December 2015, 19:32
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It's even more different now. There used to be a road where you could drive across the tarmac of Kandahar Airport...but that is now gone. The entire area to the northeast of the airport is now controlled by ANA/ANSF etc.
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Old 21 December 2015, 07:19
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...but they are not the same entity.
As stated before one is butted up against the other but is not part of the other. Never has been.
I assumed it was something like that, my question is more based on the fact that if insurgents are able to get onto the airfield from the ANA side, couldn't they, in effect, run to the military aircraft/ personnel side.

Also, when I was there in 03 we worked near the big Russian hanger, now the military PAX terminal and the 82nd had their support shops set up in the international terminal. We could walk/ drive anywhere on the site, there was nothing north of the runway, but an ammo dump.
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Old 21 December 2015, 11:25
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I assumed it was something like that, my question is more based on the fact that if insurgents are able to get onto the airfield from the ANA side, couldn't they, in effect, run to the military aircraft/ personnel side.

Also, when I was there in 03 we worked near the big Russian hanger, now the military PAX terminal and the 82nd had their support shops set up in the international terminal. We could walk/ drive anywhere on the site, there was nothing north of the runway, but an ammo dump.
The ability of an insurgent, once through the weak security around the Afghan secured airport buildings, to get to critical areas on KAF has always been there since the Afghans reopened the terminal to civilian traffic.
The ability to easily get onto KAF has also always been there. In 2011 a truck parked next to the wall surrounding the airfield was detonated, producing a hole in the wall that allowed several dipshits entry. IIRC, the resulting hole was in the wall surrounding a US vehicle maintenance outfit. There was a fire fight and the dipshits couldn't push through further than that as a result of a hasty defense on the part of the maintenance unit personnel and quick reaction force personnel. That occurred across the street from the Afghan gas station and police station, both of which also got hit.
Security around KAF/Kandahar Airport has always been problematic.
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Old 30 December 2015, 04:49
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Here's a different look at the pay rate. Nothing is free. 50K tax free so there's 10K you didn't know you had, all us hard working Americans pay taxes so that your room, board, gym membership, equipment, etc. is free. So that cost of that is another 15k So all in all, the contract is paying 75k, but you only see the 50k. So you have options, Stay in America, and struggle, and hope you don't get shot at school, or movie theater, or go overseas, and live a little....with body armor..
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Old 30 December 2015, 08:42
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and live a little....with body armor
Your idea of living a little must be a bit different than mine.
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Old 30 December 2015, 09:40
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Here's a different look at the pay rate. Nothing is free. 50K tax free so there's 10K you didn't know you had, all us hard working Americans pay taxes so that your room, board, gym membership, equipment, etc. is free. So that cost of that is another 15k So all in all, the contract is paying 75k, but you only see the 50k. So you have options, Stay in America, and struggle, and hope you don't get shot at school, or movie theater, or go overseas, and live a little....with body armor..
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Old 30 December 2015, 11:13
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Your idea of living a little must be a bit different than mine.
Ehh, it's a good opportunity for some people. Easy work on a base with decent living conditions, easy $50k, no expenses, plenty of time to network or look for other jobs, build a resume, get some online schooling done, pay off some debt

I worked security at BAF for a little while before Aegis picked that up also, I had a lot of fun there while I was waiting for something else. I wonder if KAF's MWR is just as awesome
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Old 30 December 2015, 12:39
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Maybe that came off a little bit fucked up. I wasn't dogging the gig, just saying it's not something that interests me. I'm a bit bitter about Afghanistan in general and that probably bled in there a little more than it should have.
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Old 31 December 2015, 12:59
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My rolling eyes was in response to the last sentence comment.

"Stay in America, and struggle, and hope you don't get shot at school, or movie theater, or go overseas, and live a little....with body armor"

In regards to $50K per year, tax free with living expenses - well that is become more than double what most cops, correction officers, firefighters, etc. make a year in the USA, and what one could pocket save up in a year - especially if one is single. So not bad.
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I just want to give a different aspect, Yes I could sneer at making less than 100k a year, but whats the point of that, Someone WILL take this job that doesn't have one. As absurd as it sounds... I felt safer working overseas, cause I knew someone was trying to kill me...I will always laugh at my battle buddy that got shot in the but while sleeping on duty from a bullet lobbed over the wall.. The point is,,, he walked into the medic tent saying his but hurts and didn't know why...He was a real pain in the ass..
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I just want to give a different aspect, Yes I could sneer at making less than 100k a year, but whats the point of that, Someone WILL take this job that doesn't have one. As absurd as it sounds... I felt safer working overseas, cause I knew someone was trying to kill me...I will always laugh at my battle buddy that got shot in the but while sleeping on duty from a bullet lobbed over the wall.. The point is,,, he walked into the medic tent saying his but hurts and didn't know why...He was a real pain in the ass..
Here, let me give YOU an aspect.

It's not that we sneer at people who make less than 6 figures. We sneer at people who can't figure out how to make $13 an hour stateside. Like basically you fucking suck as an individual if you can't make that. Go bartend, landscape, wait tables, pick shit up and put shit down at Lowes, ect.

We sneer at people who don't grasp the fact that if you make that little money, You aren't paying any taxes anyway, so you really don't need to be overseas.

Finally, We sneer at people who are so bent on the idea of making money by holding a gun in their sweaty little paws that they are willing to accept austere living conditions, abusive corporations and bosses, and excurtiatingly boring mission sets for shit money.

Go to AR15.Com if you want seek approval from lowlifes who think this is a great deal.
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^ The point is though Mako, and a good point, though for those without extensive SOF or Tech type backgrounds (and even some with) - how much money would you have to make to put $50K in the bank saved if one was working in America?

Say you make $50k year as a Firefighter, Cop, etc. (And that would be a high salary in Indiana- for example many LE departments start out in the low $30s). Take away taxes, living expenses, etc., you would be lucky to save $10K a year. Most correctional officers, LE officers, FFs, Teachers, DNR employees, etc. in Indiana are pulling in salaries in the $30K ranges. Hec, I know Biologists (who love their jobs) with MScs and PhDs barely pulling in $50k a year.

So for a single young guy, going to sweat it out on an airfield in Kandahar and walk away after 2 years with $100K in the bank is not a bad deal at all.

Watch DVDs, eat, sleep, workout, pull your shift etc. and put the money in the bank.
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^ The point is though Mako, and a good point, though for those without extensive SOF or Tech type backgrounds (and even some with) - how much money would you have to make to put $50K in the bank saved if one was working in America?

Say you make $50k year as a Firefighter, Cop, etc. (And that would be a high salary in Indiana- for example many LE departments start out in the low $30s). Take away taxes, living expenses, etc., you would be lucky to save $10K a year. Most correctional officers, LE officers, FFs, Teachers, DNR employees, etc. in Indiana are pulling in salaries in the $30K ranges. Hec, I know Biologists (who love their jobs) with MScs and PhDs barely pulling in $50k a year.

So for a single young guy, going to sweat it out on an airfield in Kandahar and walk away after 2 years with $100K in the bank is not a bad deal at all.

Watch DVDs, eat, sleep, workout, pull your shift etc. and put the money in the bank.
First of all, leave Indiana. I can't think of a state other like New Mexico I'd less rather live in.

Single young guy, doing one rip, sure, I guess. I mean it is a good point if saving for something is their goal (but let's face it, they're just going to come home, buy a really expensive car, get drunk, and wreck it, and then be back on here begging for work in a year)

But these guys shouldn't be astonished when we say that a job standing around in a warzone waiting to be suicide bombed for $160 a day is shit.

At the end of the day, rather than fucking about for peanuts, risking their life for a sum of 50K the time is better spent building a solid career to carry them through real life.
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