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Old 17 December 2014, 16:35
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But, I am ignorant in the realm of 1911's, so my information should be considered suspect, as it has been pointed out.
While assuming everyone else knew more about the topic than you without asking your knowledge base was presumptuous on my end. You did challenge the facts I provided (you even confirmed by call LB) and provided erroneous claims about other manufacturers without out anything to support it. Yes, Wilson is 1" @25 and not 2" like I said. My fault for not double checking their website right before posting. I was relying on my memory from going through this exact process years ago. You however, while knowing about finishes and fires at a certain company (all of which is just trivial information and nothing first hand), have made false claims and not provided anything to support them; which makes your statement above, very true. You asked for opinions and why, and then question them. Perhaps others will be willing to give you their opinion now seeing how you respond to them.
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Old 17 December 2014, 16:54
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Did you read my posts? What erroneous claims? You mean my first hand knowledge of firearms I own, and shoot, a lot? Why would I need to support information I have gathered based on my own first hand experience with said firearms? The fire was documented and can be found at CZ's website. The information on finish has been well documented other places, my personal experience is I have had no issues with the finish on either the ECO or Valor I own, granted the Valor is not Duty Coated.

I did not challenge your facts, I just found them wrong. Jerry Miculek hit steel at 1000 yards with an M&P 9mm, could Smith & Wesson make a claim regarding this? Sure, they COULD. But stating that all Les Baer's are guaranteed to shoot 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards, when that is NOT the case is erroneous, even according to Les Baer, only the "up-sell" models offer this. All I was stating, AGAIN, was that XYZ manufacturer may claim certain attributes to their particular weapon, and the INDIVIDUAL looking at these different models/manufacturers needs to keep in mind that there are differences, but also, there should be the expectation of performance in a quality 1911.

Anyway, thanks for your input on the Les Baer platform, you did make a fine point, and made me look deeper into my preconceptions I had before this discussion. I admit I was wrong in doubting the ability of their guaranteed 1911's, and for basing any bias based on the lack of a written warranty. I plan on ordering one of the 1.5 inch guaranteed models from my LGS in the next couple of days seeing as I cannot find one locally that I am interested in.

Leapordprey, if you want, I can send both my Dan Wesson's your way through FFL and let you shoot them and check them out prior to your purchase if you want.
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Old 18 December 2014, 11:56
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Started with a RIA 1911, then traded up to a SA GI. I love the simple design and how much work you can put into it. It'll be a while before I get a really high end 1911, but for now the SA fits the bill.
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Old 18 December 2014, 13:06
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I have had two Nighthawks in .45 for the past 6 years and have been very happy with both. The Enforcer 5" has over 30k rounds thru it and remains as accurate and reliable as the day I bought it. The diamond black coating has kept it in pristine condition. I have only changed springs. It is my main IDPA gun, but I carry it from time to time.

My T3 4.25" is my carry gun about 75% of the time. It has roughly 7k rounds thru it and likewise has been utterly reliable. It was finished in Permakote and looks like a daily carry gun.

I would recommend Nighthawk guns to anyone, as long as money is not the motivating factor. With that said, if I could only carry one gun for defensive purposes for the rest of my life, it would be my Glock 19.

To LP -
You asked about Heinie slant pro straight 8's in a different thread. If you look closely, I have those sights on both my 1911's, as well as on my Glock 19. They are very fast sights for daytime shooting, and particularly good for IDPA-type shooting. However, the front sight is a smaller dot than even regular trijicon sights. I would consider them the opposite of what you are looking for, if you are considering Big Dot. I still have young eyes. Many of the people I shoot with in Annapolis area use the TFO's mentioned by others. They are really bright during the day, but they are fragile and break easily. FYI.

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Old 18 December 2014, 16:47
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I've owned several 1911's over the years. Ive had Kimber, Springfield's, Colt's...etc. Like many on here, Kimber makes, IMO the best bang for your buck.

Not the most reliable (my Gen 1 Pro Carry never missed a beat though)...and maybe not socially acceptable carry methods (cocked and locked) but nothing I've ever shot feels as good. I love the trigger, the grip safety, the fit and finish of quality makers...I love everything about them.

Also, guys like to mess with things. Its why we love AR platforms, muscle cars and 1911's. The market is saturated with parts, enhancements, extensions and everything else. While a Glock, Sig or HK may arguably be more accurate and reliable, they don't have the thousands of suppliers pushing millions of parts and upgrades for them like the 1911 platform does.
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Old 18 December 2014, 16:53
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Chesie - Thanks for sharing the pics. your T3 looks like a Guncrafter Industries Model 3 I had for many years (I bought one of their first iterations). My friend's son lusted after the Model 3 since I bought it, so when he returned home safe from A-Stan this year with his reserve unit, I gave it to him. He carries it daily, and has not even attempted to have it refinished.
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Old 18 December 2014, 23:50
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Just curious if any of the 1911 Gurus on here can answer this. I ordered my Wilson Combat CQB with a full-length guide rod. Could this be the reason that it has proven to be a bit finicky?
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Old 19 December 2014, 08:30
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AZ, I'm no guru.

But, I've been carrying a 1911 for about 30 years.

Describe "finicky"?

In terms of FTF and FTE, FOR ME, the cure has been changing my mags, mag spring, or ammo.

You could try a standard length and see how it goes.

Hope it helps.

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Old 19 December 2014, 08:39
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AZ, I'm no guru.

But, I've been carrying a 1911 for about 30 years.

Describe "finicky"?

In terms of FTF and FTE, FOR ME, the cure has been changing my mags, mag spring, or ammo.

What 1911 do you carry/use?
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Old 19 December 2014, 09:10
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AZ,

You would be surprised what new mags or ammo could do. Just changing the angle of how the bullet hits the feed ramp could do wonders. That being said, Wilson mags have always been my choice and I'm sure that's what you are using. Without knowing exactly what your issues are, my first suggestion would be to play with different ammo. Some of the high end 1911's are built to such tight specs that they only like certain brands of ammo based on the profile of the bullet.

Good luck....Wilson makes a beautiful gun.
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What 1911 do you carry/use?
I alternate between the following:

(1) Springfield MC Operator w/ light (the only problem is a loose front sight that Springfield quickly fixed).
(2) Remington enhanced
(3) Taurus PT1911 (yeah, I know, I know). This one had a loose rear sight that was easily fixed by me.

I can't recommend Remington, yet. It's new in my stable.

I carry it out of habit, I know and trust it, and for the reasons AZ outlined previously.

My buddy had a Les Baer for awhile. Very nice. He sold it, I believe, for a Nighthawk, another nice gun.

I've also carried a Glock as well. Got it around '90 - '91 (a bud in a Plt had FFL license). I carry that but always come back to the 1911.

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I alternate between the following:

(1) Springfield MC Operator w/ light (the only problem is a loose front sight that Springfield quickly fixed).
(2) Remington enhanced
(3) Taurus PT1911 (yeah, I know, I know). This one had a loose rear sight that was easily fixed by me.

I can't recommend Remington, yet. It's new in my stable.

I carry it out of habit, I know and trust it, and for the reasons AZ outlined previously.

My buddy had a Les Baer for awhile. Very nice. He sold it, I believe, for a Nighthawk, another nice gun.

I've also carried a Glock as well. Got it around '90 - '91 (a bud in a Plt had FFL license). I carry that but always come back to the 1911.
Sounds good. I just hope you do not have to use them and create any new "patients".
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Old 19 December 2014, 10:05
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Gents, using either Wilson or Chip McCormick 8 round mags. Every now and then it will fail to completely go into battery (nothing "tap/rack" doesn't fix), or on a fresh magazine it will fail to feed the first round as I manually rack the slide to load the first round (and I'm definitely not "riding" the slide home). Always ran well lubed.

This has happened with ball practice ammo, not defensive ammo. I should probably pick up another brand of ammo to see if that's not the issue. Just have always wondered if there was a chance that the full-length guide rod wasn't causing just a bit of drag on the recoil spring as it moved around it, not letting it work at peak efficiency.
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Gents, using either Wilson or Chip McCormick 8 round mags. Every now and then it will fail to completely go into battery (nothing "tap/rack" doesn't fix), or on a fresh magazine it will fail to feed the first round as I manually rack the slide to load the first round (and I'm definitely not "riding" the slide home). Always ran well lubed.

This has happened with ball practice ammo, not defensive ammo. I should probably pick up another brand of ammo to see if that's not the issue. Just have always wondered if there was a chance that the full-length guide rod wasn't causing just a bit of drag on the recoil spring as it moved around it, not letting it work at peak efficiency.
Had the same issue with my Wilson when I got it. Called the Service center and was told need to load the magazines and keep them loaded for a week, to break them in. WTF over?! Have to admit was a little dismayed, here was an over $3000 gun and it is not "combat" ready right out of the box. Anyway, played around with it, did that to the mags, seemed to work fine after that. But, it soured my taste with Wilson and thought was too much coin to carry, so ended up selling it. Good thing was at least I sold it for the same price I paid, so did not loose money. Wilsons do seem to hold their value.

Kind of why I am leaning towards the Dan Wesson Valor or Specialist. Half the price of the Wilson Combat, and everything I am reading is it eats everything and keep in going and does not require "break in period". Though the mags are an issue also probably. One thing I have to admit I like about Glocks, to me the strength of the Glock's reliability is in the mags.
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Old 19 December 2014, 10:13
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Our techniques are definitely different now. But, in many ways, what they did and trained for then seemed to work. Seems like back then, besides the emphasis on shooting one handed, dropping and shooting from the prone - there also was a big emphasis on just point and shoot/reflex shooting.

Watching this video, did give me an idea. With all the high speed "operator" tactical shooting courses going on - maybe I should advertise a "Old school" shooting/training course.


"Learn how to shoot a 1911 like the Greatest Generation did, when men where hard and going into harm's way".

I still have my Father's 1911 USMC leather holster he wore back in the early 1950s. Will have to strap it on and go practice "old school" at the range here within the next week or so, for the fun of it. Take Dad out and let him do it also, he will enjoy that.
Oh, is that the latest fad now? it figures it'd come full circle after all the fly by night shooting schools.

What will be next? "Learn how to shoot like a 1970's NYC cop- with a handlebar mustache and a snub nose .38 from the weaver stance with a "tea cup grip". If it was good enough for Serpico, its good enough for you!"

I don't dislike the 1911 but never been a fanboy of it. I see it as a cult like Crossfit or Paleo- people get into something and then obsess over it when something else will do just fine or better.
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Old 19 December 2014, 10:30
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Mako, Stop giving me ideas for my new shooting school. :big grin:

Hey, I could have another course:

"How to shoot like a US Army field gradeOfficer in Iraq/Afghanistan."

Make them practice draping their shoulder holster around a chair, then putting it on, holster flopping around and go walk around a dining facility
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38 Super needs to be handloaded to get the full benefit, otherwise it's pretty much a Euro-spec 9mm. 9x23 is another one of those niche cartridges that will give you full power factory loads similar or slightly better than hand loaded Super. Which is a 124gn at about 1400-1450fps or a 147gn at every bit of 1250-1300. S/F....Ken M
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Old 19 December 2014, 11:25
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I have 3 1911's. A series '70 Gold Cup, a Les Baer, and a Colt Officers model. They are great shooters, .......... no malfunctions ! A couple of friends shoot Ed Brown, good guns. My son carry's his Kimber over his Colt.
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AZ,I was just looking at the papers with my Wilson's from the 2001 time frame and it had a list of recommended ammo.

I agree with other posters try diffent ammo.I didn't know the CQB comes with a FLG now.
I'm not a fan of them myself intend to replace the one in my Protector with their flat wire kit.
Do the new Wilson's still come with shock buffers?That might be a factor?Take it off and try that too?
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Old 19 December 2014, 14:43
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My 1911 has ALWAYS (15-20 yrs?) had a full length guide rod; that was the 'trend' at the time. The gun has worked flawlessly.
One observation that I have is that the magazine feed lips sometimes change shape a bit. THIS can cause failures. As soon as I'd get a 'funky' feed, I'd give all my mags to my smithy and he'd gently reshape the lips over the magazine 'form' that he has. Done deal.
I've never lubed my magazines. Aside from an ancient 7 rounder, I use Wilson Combat, exclusively.

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Gents, using either Wilson or Chip McCormick 8 round mags. Every now and then it will fail to completely go into battery (nothing "tap/rack" doesn't fix), or on a fresh magazine it will fail to feed the first round as I manually rack the slide to load the first round (and I'm definitely not "riding" the slide home). Always ran well lubed.

This has happened with ball practice ammo, not defensive ammo. I should probably pick up another brand of ammo to see if that's not the issue. Just have always wondered if there was a chance that the full-length guide rod wasn't causing just a bit of drag on the recoil spring as it moved around it, not letting it work at peak efficiency.
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