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Old 27 May 2016, 00:35
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I think Hognose is a CZ75 guy, though...
I was expecting him to weigh in here by now......."Paging Mr Hognose, Mr. Hognose to the white courtesy phone please....."
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Old 28 May 2016, 10:26
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I have 3 CZs, somewhere around 6-7k rounds through a P-09 and 75 Shadow (mostly the P-09) and the only malfunctions have been due to too long reloaded rounds. Attila175 pretty much covered it.

I'll add that the music wire trigger return springs from Cajun Gun Works seem to last longer than the stock part.

CZ also tends to have a fairly short rifling leade. It hasn't been an issue with any factory ammo I've tried yet, but something to check and definitely need to be aware of it if you reload.
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Old 4 June 2016, 21:27
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I was out of town at a weapons course and haven't been around, so I'm late to the t'read. I made an effort to transition from my Pre-B CZ-75 to a Glock at a friend's urging (he's a Fed who swears by the Glock). He set me up with one of his, with the key stuff (extended slide and mag releases, trijicon sights). There's nothing wrong with the Glock at all but I never warmed up to it.

I intended to go back to that ancient, I've-been-everywhere-man Pre-B 75 (the Bs came out in 1994), but I lucked into an SP-01 that has been given the CGW treatment. I'm auditioning it for regular carry and meant to shoot it this weekend -- for unrelated reasons I had to RTB early.

I am slightly concerned that the CGW trigger is so good and so light that the gun is potentially unsafe as a carry piece. ETA: that's this particular gun, CGW has a wide range of triggers and trigger jobs.

I like the size and the all metal construction. CZ also has polymer framed handguns, which are much more competitively priced than their steel guns.

The steel parts of CZ-75s and their brethren are a mix of machined investment castings and things machined from billet, FWIW.

For anyone that wants an old CZ and will take a beater, a whole metric crapton of them just hit GunBroker and the usual surp dealers. They're cop tradeins from Israel and they are ragged. (One guy got one with a broken slide!) Most of them are mechanically sound and simply have horrible cosmetic problems. And the prices are very good, around $300-350. But for year and condition you're taking a crapshoot. Also, Pre-Bs can be finicky about magazines.

There are numerous CZ clones on the market, and there are even two more or less unrelated guns that have been sold as CZs (the CZ-TT and CZ G-2000). Fortunately the pseudo-CZs are rare. Many of the clones are badge-engineered Fratelli Tanfoglio copies. The Swiss-made Sphinx is a high-end clone, but with corporate owner Kriss supposedly planning to move production here, it may not stay that way. Very expensive ($1000-1200 and the mags are >$50. But some EAA/Tanfoglio mags fit.

A lot depends on what is comfortable in your hand. I was a Beretta guy for the mag capacity and DA/SA action (when those things were rare) but the BHP always fit my hand better. With the CZ in the 80s, I discovered a BHP that was DA/SA. In time the gun's other qualities have grown on me as well.

CZ did submit a pistol to the modular handgun competition but no one is expecting it to be one of the three finalists.

I can answer most questions about Czech handguns, when I'm around. I'm writing a book about them.
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Old 25 June 2016, 13:06
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My wife bought me a p-07 for Valentines day years back. it has never malfunctioned and is very accurate. the only bad thing I can say is when I push the mag release button I have to pull the mags out. working on a fix
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Old 25 June 2016, 22:42
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Like CZ rifles, not so much the handguns.
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I am really liking this custom one:

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Old 26 June 2016, 09:45
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I inherited one in Iraq from a departing TL. Never fired a shot in action but lots of rounds in training. Liked it a lot.
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Old 26 June 2016, 14:11
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I bought a CZ 85 while I was stationed in Germany back in 91' as soon as I got back from Desert Storm. I bought another CZ85 and two CZ75's at a nice pawn shop outside of FT. Hood . I loved them all. I sold three of them and kept the first CZ85 and carried it for years. I have fired at least a 1000 rds through it and never once did I ever have any problems. The last one was stolen out of my car a few years ago and I really miss it. They are Top Quality. They were good enough for the KGB and Russian Special Forces so that said alot to me about them. I will buy another CZ 85 if I can find a older one.
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Old 26 June 2016, 22:18
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Have one chambered in 45...
Great piece - paid 450 for quite some years ago.
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Old 27 June 2016, 01:04
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There's nothing wrong with the Glock at all but I never warmed up to it.

I am slightly concerned that the CGW trigger is so good and so light that the gun is potentially unsafe as a carry piece. ETA: that's this particular gun, CGW has a wide range of triggers and trigger jobs.

A lot depends on what is comfortable in your hand. I was a Beretta guy for the mag capacity and DA/SA action (when those things were rare) but the BHP always fit my hand better. With the CZ in the 80s, I discovered a BHP that was DA/SA. In time the gun's other qualities have grown on me as well.
I only got into the Glock because it's what they issued on the contract I was looking to work on after I discovered contracting through SOCNET 10 years ago. Took me 4 years of taking SB's advice and working my way up, and even then luck played a part. I still carry my G19 even though I quit that job a year and a half ago. I just got used to it. I need to transition back to something better but I seem to be too busy these days.

I always disliked the M9. I do not like guns with two triggers in the same gun and the only one I make an exception to is the CZ75 because it's.....exceptional. I carried a revolver quite a bit back in the day and the '75 has a great DA trigger without the slop in SA that all the others seem to have, especially S&W. :shudder:

My first pistol was a BHP. God I love that pistol. I have 2 T-prefix guns hibernating in the safe, waiting for the day I get around to Bar-Sto and Novak'ing them.

CZ75's. I admit to being a "short rail snob". I need another Pre-B that doesn't have the value attached to it that short rail's do, so I can justify shooting it extensively and carrying it daily.
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Old 27 June 2016, 01:42
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Guess I'm going to have to try and find one to shoot.
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Old 27 June 2016, 06:11
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Bob, very nice. What are those wooden grips? Nill?
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Old 27 June 2016, 12:28
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Bob, very nice. What are those wooden grips? Nill?
I'm not sure. They're not marked as such. They do look it though, don't they? These grips are very common on '75's in Europe, so much so that I think it was possibly a factory option.

Likewise the hard chromed frame, I have a pic file with a dozen of those guns (mostly Pre-B's, I have only seen 2 short rails like that) in it and a German dealer I know has told me that they came that way from the factory. Usually just fixed sights though. I don't know what to make of the S&W revolver style rear sight on this one. The front sight is neat too, has a vertical white line inset into it. Trigger is awesome in both SA/DA.

For carrying I actually like the Uncle Mike's/Craig Spegel rubber panels (for the Hi-Power as well) that were made in the 90's but they're not easy to find these days. People who have them on a CZ75 don't give up either the grips or the gun. They're thinner than both the Pachmayr and the Hogue, with no front strap connector they add less bulk to the grip than either, and not as sticky/spongy which I find a distraction, especially with the Hogue.
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Old 15 July 2016, 20:17
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I am lusting after a short rail CZ like Bob's -- I'm "watching" it -- but I just dropped roughly 3 times the value of that on a grab-bag of old CZs and other Czechoslovak firearms at Rock Island. So I have taken myself off the Gun of the Month Club roster for a while (well 15 guns in one weekend will do that to you, and I'd just scored a CZ-45 elsewhere. (I missed 'em when they were around for $200!)

What that means is that when I DO go to buy a short rail, I'll have to trade two Johnson M1941s and a first round draft pick for it, or remortgage my house or something.
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Thread got buried, thats not good.

Was trying to do some local matches, hands down this was the most bang for the buck.


That thing was so awesome I bought a new EDC



The Shadow actually shoots better than the TS. For matches though I like the size of the TS and how it indexes.
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^Me want that shadow! Is that a stock one, or did you purchase a custom one?
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^Me want that shadow! Is that a stock one, or did you purchase a custom one?
Looks like a Shadow Orange, which is a CZ Custom Shop model. You can find them NIB for $1200-1500.
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Its the Orange
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the only complaint I have about mine is that the factory sights are garbage
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