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Old 4 October 2017, 15:25
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Back in the Dark Ages (late 80's/ early 90's) I attended a briefing at RTB with a guy that had invented a can that attached right over the bird cage flash suppressors on an M16 series rifle. After placing it over the end, he gave it a twist and rotated a lock ring type thing to hold it in place.

He went on to explain that he could clean it by running water through it. He also demonstrated a holster for it that hung from his web gear.

Anyone remember this can?
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Old 4 October 2017, 17:25
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That's how surefire's can works. But you gotta have their special flash suppressor.
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Old 4 October 2017, 17:46
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Griffin armament makes one that attaches over NATO spec A2 flash hiders. I think they call it the M4SD.
Too bad they don’t make one that fits over a Battlecomp. That’s one I would buy.
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Old 4 October 2017, 18:00
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A search (after picking my jaw off the floor at the prices) resulted in a YHM Nitro for $425 at a local dealer. Maybe it will be what Santa brings me...
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Old 4 October 2017, 18:03
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Griffin Armament has those that attach straight to a bird cage. The Knights Armament NT4 suppressor does the same, IIRC.
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Old 4 October 2017, 18:06
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Old 5 October 2017, 03:50
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With regards to mounting on A1/A2 or other standard assault rifle flash hiders

- Their designs are now 30-50 years old

- Large tolerances and a relatively cheap part anyway

- They were never intended as suppressor mounts, so overall the mounting surfaces are not optimal for suppressor use.

- The thicker crush washer on an A1/A2 flash hider can easily cause misalignment for the suppressor, leading to damage to the suppressor

With regards to the several variants of the KAC M4QD suppressors that are in service around the world, Knight's supplies their own closer tolerance bird cage flash hider and it is aligned with the thin shim kit supplied with it.

If going for a fast attaching suppressor, I would really advise going for a dedicated mounting system from a reputable/quality manufacturer, in which the flash hider or muzzle brake is built with regards to suppressor use.

In that the system provides for reliable attachment, good alignment for both the muzzle device/suppressor and also preferably has features to prevent fouling from entering the attachment area, making it easier to attach and detach the suppressor.

It will come with cost if you want to equip a number of rifles with the muzzle devices, but may end up costing less in money and time, if you break a suppressor by using it on a cheap and misaligned flash hider.

We have had our own BoreLock mounting system in production for many years and removed from production years ago a mounting system that fit on standard flash hiders.

We are working on newer mounting system, that does mount on some standard flash hiders, but it will take into account many of the things written above.

This is only for MIL/LE contracts where there is a GO/NO-GO demand on this mounting and the customer is not willing to change the muzzle devices for whatever reason.

( Been working in a Finnish suppressor company for 13 years )
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Old 5 October 2017, 09:35
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My preference, and to each their own, I bought and attached a MP5 style 3 lug mount to my SIG MPX. This allows me the simple slip on, depress and twist to lock it in place. Granted I am not sure if they make this same set up for 5.56. For my use and need it works great.
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Phooey... I thought the thread was going to be about cans, you know... big boob cans
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Griffin armament makes one that attaches over NATO spec A2 flash hiders. I think they call it the M4SD.
Too bad they donít make one that fits over a Battlecomp. Thatís one I would buy.
Regards,
Danny
Gemtech Halo fits on any A2 style flash hider and the battlecomp 2.0/2.1 comps.
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Old 5 October 2017, 12:03
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I worked with one of the brothers on WPS in Iraq that started Griffin Armament. He is good guy. I plan on getting one of their suppressors but will say I haven't shot it yet.
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Old 5 October 2017, 15:18
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...your post...
I was just trying to remember the piece of kit and wondered what happened with the concept.

I definitely will not be cutting any corners on anything I build/assemble.
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Old 6 October 2017, 02:17
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Np worries, just looking to help out on the rare things I know a bit about :)

If anyone is going with a flash hider attachment on a "standard" flash hider, check for the suppressor alignment prior to initial shooting and do not use thick washers behind the flash hider.
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