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Old 6 November 2008, 13:24
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Well it's official Barack Obama is going to be our next president. If you were contemplating buying an "evil black rifle" and high capacity magazines you better move quick. Sales are surging and many of the well-known reputable internet sites are either out of stock and or back ordered. Make no mistake about it Obama and Biden are no friends of gun owners. H.R 1022 has been lagging for about a year now, but make no mistake I believe that it is going to be introduced again.

The Brady Gang is rejoicing in the nomination of Obama/ Biden and they feel confident that this bill will pass. I urge those of you who are not members of the NRA, GOA, etc...to join and sign up as many friends as possible.
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Old 6 November 2008, 14:47
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You aint kidding brother. I've already ordered 4 more 30 round mags for my Mini-14 (and a flash supressor) and i'm saving up for as much 223 as I can get my hands on. I talked to the guy at the little local hardware store about the availability of at least one 25lb keg of black powder, maybe 2 ~ his eyebrows went up until I told him it was for my Muzzleloader. :D

The problem is as soon as any word of legislation starts the prices are going to skyrocket. Right now a small can of black powder sets me back about $10 to $12 a LB. I could see it going up another $4 -$5.

Both my wife and I are members of the NRA. She wont touch a gun but she says that she'll be damned if anyone is going to tell her she cant. I sure love that Gal.

Could turn into some "Rough" times for those of us that hunt and are Sportsmen and even those that just like to shoot... I hope not...
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Old 6 November 2008, 14:51
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I talked to the guy at the little local hardware store about the availability of at least one 25lb keg of black powder, maybe 2 ~ his eyebrows went up until I told him it was for my Muzzleloader. :D

The problem is as soon as any word of legislation starts the prices are going to skyrocket. Right now a small can of black powder sets me back about $10 to $12 a LB. I could see it going up another $4 -$5.
I never understood the attempts to seriously regulate black bowder muzzleloaders. A lot of things would have to go seriously wrong for someone to commit some kind of violent massacre with a musket. If you cannot stop someone who has to literally load a round using a ramrod and paper cartridge then you have serious problems. Especially since the average rate of fire is 3 rounds per minute.

If black powder goes up I will be angry. Are politicians trying to kill reenactments? Well I guess it might work in a politician's favor if the average American believes the South won the American War for Independence in 1942 due to their superior jet fighters....:D
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I talked to the guy at the little local hardware store about the availability of at least one 25lb keg of black powder, maybe 2 ~ his eyebrows went up until I told him it was for my Muzzleloader. :D

The problem is as soon as any word of legislation starts the prices are going to skyrocket. Right now a small can of black powder sets me back about $10 to $12 a LB. I could see it going up another $4 -$5.

Could turn into some "Rough" times for those of us that hunt and are Sportsmen and even those that just like to shoot... I hope not...
Not so sure you're going to have to worry so much about someone taking your black powder away from you. It's the automatic weapons, "evil black rifles" they soooo are worried about.

If you're worried, keep stocking up on ammo for the guns in your home that go BOOM repeatedly.
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Do you really think it is wise to brag about how much ammo you have on a public site?
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Do you really think it is wise to brag about how much ammo you have on a public site?

Good point.. What ammo? Man, wish I had enough to money buy a 22 Rifle :D
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Old 6 November 2008, 15:56
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Not so sure you're going to have to worry so much about someone taking your black powder away from you. It's the automatic weapons, "evil black rifles" they soooo are worried about.

If you're worried, keep stocking up on ammo for the guns in your home that go BOOM repeatedly.
Never know how far they'll go.. first its the Assault weapons.. then pistols....then revolvers.. then who knows what else. IF the Anti-Gun lobby had its way there wouldnt even be cap guns in Wal-mart. Right now you can walk in any gun store in just about any state that carries Muzzle Loaders and as long as you are 18 years old - you can buy that Puppy. You can walk out with 25lbs of Black Power, bunch of bullets and percussion caps. When all is said and done, if you cant get bullets for the gun that repeatedly goes boom boom boom... that one gun that goes BOOOOOMMMMM (insert tons of smoke) does just fine :D
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IMO (and it is just that) I don't think it will be an issue this first term. It was shown last time that drastic measures can and will be repealed by a Rep. majority, and also that these measures do not win support for the Dems and lose them seats.

1022 has been floating around for a rediculous number of years and hasn't come close to passing yet.
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IMO (and it is just that) I don't think it will be an issue this first term. It was shown last time that drastic measures can and will be repealed by a Rep. majority, and also that these measures do not win support for the Dems and lose them seats.

1022 has been floating around for a rediculous number of years and hasn't come close to passing yet.
1022 is a gem in the left wing box, they will keep introducing it until it passes. That's why a filibuster-proof Senate would have (and still may be) a disaster for us.

Personally, buy your rifles from private citizens who don't know you or where you live. The next round of gun control will not have a grandfather clause, so everyone buying via FFL dealers will see their toys confiscated.

Me, I've already sold most of my stuff (no paycheck sucks) and will probably sell a few more at inflated prices in the next month or two.
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Not so sure you're going to have to worry so much about someone taking your black powder away from you. It's the automatic weapons, "evil black rifles" they soooo are worried about.

If you're worried, keep stocking up on ammo for the guns in your home that go BOOM repeatedly.
I'll paint mine green if that would keep them off my back... But I have a badge so I am not bothered too much by it.
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H.R. 6257

I am glad that the reauthorization of AWB still has a grand father clause, or am I missing something?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...10RQ6Igx:e873:

I noticed they said "on or before" in the large capacity feeding device, but on the part for the Guns themselves, it only says "on the date". Not trying to stir the pot here SOTB, i am only asking for someone to look over it and see if i am missing something.

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Old 6 November 2008, 16:40
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I may be wrong about this but when you retire or are no longer a LEO you generally cannot retain those weapons. The same was true of the 1994 AWB and hi cap magazines.

We as gun owners need to stay together because we are all in the same sinking boat.

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Old 6 November 2008, 16:44
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This Bill was introduced in its current form in Feb. 2007. Initially I though that it may be a while, however I believe that the Dems and President elect Obama are going to ride the wave and try and pass it sooner than later. I believe that they now have the numbers needed to make it happen.

Introduced.
Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 - Reinstates for ten years repealed criminal provisions regarding assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices (the assault weapons ban).
Revises the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon" to include conversion kits (for converting a firearm to such a weapon) and any semiautomatic rifle or pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has specified characteristics, including a telescoping stock.
Prohibits the transfer of such a weapon except through a licensed dealer or a state or local law enforcement agency, subject to specified requirements. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any such weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime, and of the nature and circumstances of the crime involved; and (2) annually submit the record to Congress and make it available to the public.
Prohibits: (1) the transfer of any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device; and (2) a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer who transfers such a device that was manufactured on or before this Act's enactment from failing to certify to the Attorney General, within 60 days of the transfer date, that the device was manufactured on or before that date. Sets forth penalties for violations.
Prohibits: (1) the transfer of such a weapon or device to a juvenile; and (2) the importation of such a device.

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IMO (and it is just that) I don't think it will be an issue this first term. It was shown last time that drastic measures can and will be repealed by a Rep. majority, and also that these measures do not win support for the Dems and lose them seats.

1022 has been floating around for a rediculous number of years and hasn't come close to passing yet.
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But I have a badge so I am not bothered too much by it.
And when the word comes down the chain, are you going to go out and confiscate those weapons from law abiding citizens in your area? It will be your job, but you will have just gone from "brother" to enemy.

I hope this country never sees that day...
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guys the bill is now HR 6257

Look it up. .they added TONS of guns to the list too...
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257

Here is the link...
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257

A more permanent link...
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In CA, where we have an AWB, AR-15s for sale have a mag release that requires the use of a "tool" to detach the mag. You can use the tip of a round or a pencil to do it, and from what I understand, it's perfectly legal. Telescoping stock, pistol grip, but as the law reads, and I'm paraphrasing, "and a magazine detachable without the use of a tool" consitutes an assault weapon. If you need a tool, it's not covered under the AWB.
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a list of guns included in the new ban..

SEC. 6. APPENDIX A TO SECTION 922 OF TITLE 18.
Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following appendix:

`APPENDIX A
`Centerfire Rifles--Autoloaders
`Browning BAR Mark II Safari Semi-Auto Rifle

`Browning BAR Mark II Safari Magnum Rifle

`Browning High-Power Rifle

`Heckler & Koch Model 300 Rifle

`Iver Johnson M-1 Carbine

`Iver Johnson 50th Anniversary M-1 Carbine

`Marlin Model 9 Camp Carbine

`Marlin Model 45 Carbine

`Remington Nylon 66 Auto-Loading Rifle

`Remington Model 7400 Auto Rifle

`Remington Model 7400 Rifle

`Remington Model 7400 Special Purpose Auto Rifle

`Ruger Mini-14 Autoloading Rifle (w/o folding stock)

`Ruger Mini Thirty Rifle

`Centerfire Rifles--Lever & Slide
`Browning Model 81 BLR Lever-Action Rifle

`Browning Model 81 Long Action BLR

`Browning Model 1886 Lever-Action Carbine

`Browning Model 1886 High Grade Carbine

`Cimarron 1860 Henry Replica

`Cimarron 1866 Winchester Replica

`Cimarron 1873 Short Rifle

`Cimarron 1873 Sporting Rifle

`Cimarron 1873 30" Express Rifle

`Dixie Engraved 1873 Rifle

`E.M.F. 1866 Yellowboy Lever Actions

`E.M.F. 1860 Henry Rifle

`E.M.F. Model 73 Lever-Action Rifle

`Marlin Model 336CS Lever-Action Carbine

`Marlin Model 30AS Lever-Action Carbine

`Marlin Model 444SS Lever-Action Sporter

`Marlin Model 1894S Lever-Action Carbine

`Marlin Model 1894CS Carbine

`Marlin Model 1894CL Classic

`Marlin Model 1895SS Lever-Action Rifle

`Mitchell 1858 Henry Replica

`Mitchell 1866 Winchester Replica

`Mitchell 1873 Winchester Replica

`Navy Arms Military Henry Rifle

`Navy Arms Henry Trapper

`Navy Arms Iron Frame Henry

`Navy Arms Henry Carbine

`Navy Arms 1866 Yellowboy Rifle

`Navy Arms 1873 Winchester-Style Rifle

`Navy Arms 1873 Sporting Rifle

`Remington 7600 Slide Action

`Remington Model 7600 Special Purpose Slide Action

`Rossi M92 SRC Saddle-Ring Carbine

`Rossi M92 SRS Short Carbine

`Savage 99C Lever-Action Rifle

`Uberti Henry Rifle

`Uberti 1866 Sporting Rifle

`Uberti 1873 Sporting Rifle

`Winchester Model 94 Side Eject Lever-Action Rifle

`Winchester Model 94 Trapper Side Eject

`Winchester Model 94 Big Bore Side Eject

`Winchester Model 94 Ranger Side Eject Lever-Action Rifle

`Winchester Model 94 Wrangler Side Eject

`Centerfire Rifles--Bolt Action
`Alpine Bolt-Action Rifle

`A-Square Caesar Bolt-Action Rifle

`A-Square Hannibal Bolt-Action Rifle

`Anschutz 1700D Classic Rifle

`Anschutz 1700D Custom Rifle

`Anschutz 1700D Bavarian Bolt-Action Rifle

`Anschutz 1733D Mannlicher Rifle

`Barret Model 90 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Beeman/HW 60J Bolt-Action Rifle

`Blaser R84 Bolt-Action Rifle

`BRNO 537 Sporter Bolt-Action Rifle

`BRNO ZKB 527 Fox Bolt-Action Rifle

`BRNO ZKK 600, 601, and 602 Bolt-Action Rifles

`Browning A-Bolt Rifle

`Browning A-Bolt Stainless Stalker

`Browning A-Bolt Left Hand

`Browning A-Bolt Short Action

`Browning Euro-Bolt Rifle

`Browning A-Bolt Gold Medallion

`Browning A-Bolt Micro Medallion

`Century Centurion 14 Sporter

`Century Enfield Sporter #4

`Century Swedish Sporter #38

`Century Mauser 98 Sporter

`Cooper Model 38 Centerfire Sporter

`Dakota 22 Sporter Bolt-Action Rifle

`Dakota 76 Classic Bolt-Action Rifle

`Dakota 76 Short Action Rifle

`Dakota 76 Safari Bolt-Action Rifle

`Dakota 416 Rigby African

`E.A.A./Sabatti Rover 870 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Auguste Francotte Bolt-Action Rifle

`Carl Gustaf 2000 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Heym Magnum Express Series Rifle

`Howa Lightning Bolt-Action Rifle

`Howa Realtree Camo Rifle

`Interarms Mark X Viscount Bolt-Action Rifle

`Interarms Mini-Mark X Rifle

`Interarms Mark X Whitworth Bolt-Action Rifle

`Interarms Whitworth Express Rifle

`Iver Johnson Model 5100A1 Long-Range Rifle

`KDF K15 American Bolt-Action Rifle

`Krico Model 600 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Krico Model 700 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Mauser Model 66 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Mauser Model 99 Bolt-Action Rifle

`McMillan Signature Classic Sporter

`McMillan Signature Super Varminter

`McMillan Signature Alaskan

`McMillan Signature Titanium Mountain Rifle

`McMillan Classic Stainless Sporter

`McMillan Talon Safari Rifle

`McMillan Talon Sporter Rifle

`Midland 1500S Survivor Rifle

`Navy Arms TU-33/40 Carbine

`Parker-Hale Model 81 Classic Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 81 Classic African Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 1000 Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 1100M African Magnum

`Parker-Hale Model 1100 Lightweight Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 1200 Super Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 1200 Super Clip Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 1300C Scout Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 2100 Midland Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 2700 Lightweight Rifle

`Parker-Hale Model 2800 Midland Rifle

`Remington Model Seven Bolt-Action Rifle

`Remington Model Seven Youth Rifle

`Remington Model Seven Custom KS

`Remington Model Seven Custom MS Rifle

`Remington 700 ADL Bolt-Action Rifle

`Remington 700 BDL Bolt-Action Rifle

`Remington 700 BDL Varmint Special

`Remington 700 BDL European Bolt-Action Rifle

`Remington 700 Varmint Synthetic Rifle

`Remington 700 BDL SS Rifle

`Remington 700 Stainless Synthetic Rifle

`Remington 700 MTRSS Rifle

`Remington 700 BDL Left Hand

`Remington 700 Camo Synthetic Rifle

`Remington 700 Safari

`Remington 700 Mountain Rifle

`Remington 700 Custom KS Mountain Rifle

`Remington 700 Classic Rifle

`Ruger M77 Mark II Rifle

`Ruger M77 Mark II Magnum Rifle

`Ruger M77RL Ultra Light

`Ruger M77 Mark II All-Weather Stainless Rifle

`Ruger M77 RSI International Carbine

`Ruger M77 Mark II Express Rifle

`Ruger M77VT Target Rifle

`Sako Hunter Rifle

`Sako FiberClass Sporter

`Sako Safari Grade Bolt Action

`Sako Hunter Left-Hand Rifle

`Sako Classic Bolt Action

`Sako Hunter LS Rifle

`Sako Deluxe Lightweight

`Sako Super Deluxe Sporter

`Sako Mannlicher-Style Carbine

`Sako Varmint Heavy Barrel

`Sako TRG-S Bolt-Action Rifle

`Sauer 90 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Savage 110G Bolt-Action Rifle

`Savage 110CY Youth/Ladies Rifle

`Savage 110WLE One of One Thousand Limited Edition Rifle

`Savage 110GXP3 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Savage 110F Bolt-Action Rifle

`Savage 110FXP3 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Savage 110GV Varmint Rifle

`Savage 112FV Varmint Rifle

`Savage Model 112FVS Varmint Rifle

`Savage Model 112BV Heavy Barrel Varmint Rifle

`Savage 116FSS Bolt-Action Rifle

`Savage Model 116FSK Kodiak Rifle

`Savage 110FP Police Rifle

`Steyr-Mannlicher Sporter Models SL, L, M, S, and S/T

`Steyr-Mannlicher Luxus Models L, M, and S

`Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Professional Rifle

`Tikka Bolt-Action Rifle

`Tikka Premium Grade Rifle

`Tikka Varmint/Continental Rifle

`Tikka Whitetail/Battue Rifle

`Ultra Light Arms Model 20 Rifle

`Ultra Light Arms Model 28 and Model 40 Rifles

`Voere VEC 91 Lightning Bolt-Action Rifle

`Voere Model 2165 Bolt-Action Rifle

`Voere Model 2155 and 2150 Bolt-Action Rifles

`Weatherby Mark V Deluxe Bolt-Action Rifle

`Weatherby Lasermark V Rifle

`Weatherby Mark V Crown Custom Rifle

`Weatherby Mark V Sporter Rifle

`Weatherby Mark V Safari Grade Custom Rifle

`Weatherby Weathermark Rifle

`Weatherby Weathermark Alaskan Rifle

`Weatherby Classicmark No.
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