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Old 23 August 2010, 09:57
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Bergdahl, who was given the Muslim name Abdullah after converting, allegedly taught Nadeem how to dismantle a Nokia mobile telephone and turn it into a remote control for roadside bombs.



Excuse me while I call bullshit. Whole lot of it in that article.
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Old 23 August 2010, 10:07
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American Taliban # 2

Treason is a word that comes to mind. He's forgotten the basics of the Code of Conduct.
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Old 23 August 2010, 11:18
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Treason is a word that comes to mind. He's forgotten the basics of the Code of Conduct.
If you believe the article sure.
How many PFC's know how to make an IED triggering device? Honestly? And exactly what "Ambush techniques" could he possible be dishing...the one he was walked through in Basic?
I'm with Sharky on this one. Time will tell though.

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Old 23 August 2010, 11:50
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If you believe the article sure.
How many PFC's know how to make an IED triggering device? Honestly? And exactly what "Ambush techniques" could he possible be dishing...the one he was walked through in Basic?
I'm with Sharky on this one. Time will tell though.

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Exactly. I dont doubt that he converted etc.....given what I know about this cat I'm surprised it took so long. But the chances of him instructing anyone on any high speed techniques like the article refers to is about zero.
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Old 23 August 2010, 15:58
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I'm simply saying that IMO he's now rendering aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war, while AWOL / deserter from the Army. And yes, of course the article is FOS.

Training the enemy in ANYTHING, even if he's only introducing them to toilet paper, is a teasonous offense, in my book.

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If you believe the article sure.
How many PFC's know how to make an IED triggering device? Honestly? And exactly what "Ambush techniques" could he possible be dishing...the one he was walked through in Basic?
I'm with Sharky on this one. Time will tell though.

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When I read that article this morning I thought "wow, he sure received a lot of special training for a PFC." I suppose anything is possible -- either way -- he has a lot to answer for upon his return...
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Old 23 August 2010, 16:49
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This guy left from my AO. I still spend time on his situation weekly that should be better spent elsewhere, but I will say that the process leaves me in awe. That we should put our creed of leaving no one to fall into the hands of the enemy (no matter how much this little turd-burglar deserves it) and continue to focus on bringing him back is impressive. I think it speaks well to how much more energy will be devoted to bringing back those who actually deserve to return. I too think he should spend a long tour at Leavenworth, but despite his actions, I doubt he'll be held accountable. I will hope that he and his captors truly get all that is coming to them.
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Old 23 August 2010, 22:07
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Bergdahl willingly left his FOB with some Afghani "friends". He's a strange young man who made very few friends in his unit, thus his Afghani "friends" he hung out with from the local guard force. He left with them to go do some drinking and smoke some hash. His "friends" turned him over to the local Taliban. This is not rumor. I was actively involved in this situation during my last trip over. He is basically AWOL. While I too want him back because he is one of ours, the thought of even one of our guys getting killed or seriously injured trying to recover him makes me want to vomit.
I have never read something so rediculous in my life, Its funny I didnt see this post earlier this week, I was in my Intel shop getting some info about some stuff and they were talking about this and heres the Story floating around 2nd Recon and 3rd Special Operation Bn,

He was the rear man on a patrol, the mission was to push through a certain AO for a quick route recon and the patrol was a 50 man squad with engineers ect, they dispersion got to far apart and he got to far back and was pinched off and captured. I dont care what story you heard the point of this whole thing is maybe mission accomplihment shouldnt always be infront of troop welfare.

your version of the story has no honor.
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Oh i almost forgot, Dont worry PFC The Marine Corps will be there to rescue you. keep the faith. Semper Fi
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your version of the story has no honor.
Is that the same thing as being not true? What if there's no honor in what really happened?
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I have never read something so rediculous in my life, Its funny I didnt see this post earlier this week, I was in my Intel shop getting some info about some stuff and they were talking about this and heres the Story floating around 2nd Recon and 3rd Special Operation Bn,

He was the rear man on a patrol, the mission was to push through a certain AO for a quick route recon and the patrol was a 50 man squad with engineers ect, they dispersion got to far apart and he got to far back and was pinched off and captured. I dont care what story you heard the point of this whole thing is maybe mission accomplihment shouldnt always be infront of troop welfare.

your version of the story has no honor.
How many of those Intel guys were ACTIVELY searching for the PFC? I'll bet none.
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...I'd like to see his safe return.
So his family can breathe easy, (they seem to be unwilling victims in this bizarre event) and also so he can bear the full weight of responsibility for his desertion in combat in the face of a belligerent force.
He is still one of ours... if there is any "judgment" to be made on this man it is ours to mete out not the enemies.
It does however seem as though he has made his own bed.
Concur. If we pick him up in the course of normal ops, fine. Glad to have him back. If not, it's a shame. Of course, it's easy for me to be opinionated sitting behind a computer monitor..I ain't there.
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Old 24 August 2010, 08:20
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your version of the story has no honor.
And your version of the story bears little accuracy compared to the sources I've reviewed. (And it sounds like your intel shop needs to stop floating rumors around and actually check their sources.)
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I have never read something so rediculous in my life, Its funny I didnt see this post earlier this week, I was in my Intel shop getting some info about some stuff and they were talking about this and heres the Story floating around 2nd Recon and 3rd Special Operation Bn,

He was the rear man on a patrol, the mission was to push through a certain AO for a quick route recon and the patrol was a 50 man squad with engineers ect, they dispersion got to far apart and he got to far back and was pinched off and captured. I dont care what story you heard the point of this whole thing is maybe mission accomplihment shouldnt always be infront of troop welfare.

your version of the story has no honor.


Well I am sure you know more about what actually happened. After all I was only THERE at his unit the following day and spent weeks actively involved looking for him as one of the lead guys. Not on a computer looking for him. On the ground. So I'm not telling you what I heard through some bullshit rumor mill. I was there.

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Oh i almost forgot, Dont worry PFC The Marine Corps will be there to rescue you. keep the faith. Semper Fi
Your SA sucks. Your knowledge sucks. Your BS motard posting style sucks.

I bet you don't know what to do with the above commentary....
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Oh i almost forgot, Dont worry PFC The Marine Corps will be there to rescue you. keep the faith. Semper Fi



The Marines are nowhere near where this happened, and they had little involvement in the actual search beyond collecting intel clues. Yet again you show how little you actually know about what happened, who was actually involved, and you have successfully made yourself look like a retard on this board.
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Old 24 August 2010, 08:39
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Your SA sucks. Your knowledge sucks. Your BS motard posting style sucks.

I bet you don't know what to do with the above commentary....



Thanks bro.....I'll let the USMC folks police their own with this one.
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heres the Story floating around 2nd Recon and 3rd Special Operation Bn,


your version of the story has no honor.
Really? I see no evidence you ever served with either of those units.

You have zero standing to question anyones honor or honesty, especially someone I consider a friend.

I expect you to send me a PM with information that validates you are a Marine and hold the MOS you claim. If I don't see something by 1200 EST you are on the extract bird.

If you send me attitude or some childishly written crap, you're on the extract bird no matter who you turn out to be.

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Oh yeah......your spelling and grammar are atrocious, even for a Marine (no offense to the Jarheads here who can spell....both of you ). Hunter of Gunmen huh? LMAO
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Icon5 I'm just asking however?

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He was the rear man on a patrol, the mission was to push through a certain AO for a quick route recon and the patrol was a 50 man squad with engineers ect, they dispersion got to far apart and he got to far back and was pinched off and captured.
How do you conduct a "quick route" recon, w/a 50 man element?

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