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Old 17 June 2019, 10:36
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Legal ins/outs of car cam discussion

I’ve ran a Car Cam(era) for years. After recently installing same in a new vehicle, the thought crossed my mind about legalities.

Of course, it’s legal to own/run/have. But . . . .
1. Who if anyone is entitled to the footage?
2. What do you say to a cop that might ask, say post-accident?
3. Is the footage a legal defense for a he said/she said accident?
4. About a hundred things I haven’t thought of, LOL.

We have another thread that deals with this in a tech sense: http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=124634

So, the legal ins and outs of car cams.
Discuss.
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Old 17 June 2019, 10:41
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Video is solid gold....
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Old 17 June 2019, 10:44
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Video is solid gold....
This.

Most of the “he said,she said” shit could be answered pretty definitively with video.

Regarding the legality: I am unaware of any jurisdiction where they are illegal.

Regarding police asking for it: if you don’t want to give it up, they can get a warrant. If it’s a pissant fender bender.... probably not getting a warrant. Serious bodily injury or death..... most definitely.
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Old 17 June 2019, 10:48
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It depends on state law. Generally speaking filming in public is ok as there is no right to privacy in public. Do not film federal installations or in peoples homes and you should be good to go. I highly recommend that you research the laws of your state.
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Old 17 June 2019, 11:41
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IIRC there's more than a few vid's on Youtube of cops trying to tell people to turn off vehicle mounted camera systems?
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Old 17 June 2019, 12:34
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I never told anyone to turn off a camera. I didn't mind at all being recorded, as long as you stay out of my way, do what you are told, and don't shove the fucking thing in my face, all is fine. But, I never did anything I would not want recorded either. Matter of fact, I wish I had some recordings of the more "colorful" arrests I made. It'd be fun taking trips back memory lane and be able to slow motion some of the more physical things. I used force when it was justified, so, never had a worry about complaints or whatever. I knew the job, and was never afraid to do it.
If you are LE and have a problem with recordings... find another job. This is the information age, and if you are not comfortable being recorded... you might have a feeling you are doing or about to do some questionable shit. Don't do questionable shit. It's all part of knowing the laws, knowing justification, and use of force.
Cameras work both ways... Keep that in mind with car cams. Don't do shit you wouldn't want an audience full of cops seeing, and you'll be good.
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Old 17 June 2019, 12:43
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There was a time not long ago when the perpetually aggrieved demanded that cops have body cams to record the alleged police abuse that they insisted was ubiquitous. What those body cams have instead produced is a wealth of evidence that the well dressed and well behaved people who show up in court were abundantly guilty of being incorrigible asshats at the time of their arrest, and that assertions of abusive police are in most cases exaggerated or completely fabricated. The very people who were the loudest about the need for body cams are the ones who have been most consistently screwed over by the footage from those cameras. I detest abusive cops, but I'm glad that decent cops are now less likely to have their reputations destroyed. Therefore, the more unedited audio and video there is of any police interaction, the better.
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Old 17 June 2019, 12:46
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Remember the audio portion of a conversation could be illegal-in some states in regards to police or just regular people
Some states are one person or two person states- that is obtaining permission.
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Old 17 June 2019, 14:50
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I love cameras it makes my client's BS so much easier to call. It also makes the police BS so much easier to call. Personally I hate eye witnesses both the science and my personal experience tell me they are either biased (intentionally or unintentionally) or can't remember what actually happened. Turns out that human memories are malleable and things that happen after the fact can have enormous effects on memory.

However with a car camera you have to assume that someone hostile to you will be watching it at some point. So it could be the cops or it could be the attorney on the other side after your accident...

Any video would be discoverable in any civil law suit, subject to a search warrant in a criminal case and depending on the state possibly not even require a search warrant with the right circumstances. So if you smoke in the car with the kids your ex will be showing that video to the judge. If you are texting or talking on the phone while driving the other side will be using that in court too...
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Old 17 June 2019, 14:58
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These things are popular as hell. Everybody in Russia seems to use them (remember the meteor strike?) - so they are probably illegal here.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=car+dash+...f=nb_sb_noss_1
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Old 17 June 2019, 14:59
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Always keep them forward facing....
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Old 17 June 2019, 15:51
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Always keep them forward facing....
and not showing your HUD or speedometer.
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I’ve ran a Car Cam(era) for years. After recently installing same in a new vehicle, the thought crossed my mind about legalities.

Of course, it’s legal to own/run/have. But . . . .
1. Who if anyone is entitled to the footage?
2. What do you say to a cop that might ask, say post-accident?
3. Is the footage a legal defense for a he said/she said accident?
4. About a hundred things I haven’t thought of, LOL.

We have another thread that deals with this in a tech sense: http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=124634

So, the legal ins and outs of car cams.
Discuss.
It's a good thing to have especially in this county! And as always, if you need anything just give me a shout.
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Old 17 June 2019, 17:03
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There was also a CCW Uber Driver cleared by the DA because he had a cam going. Video is on Active Self Protection's YT Channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WYmbVhSb0c
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Old 17 June 2019, 17:07
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Cameras are nothing but good for honest people.
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Old 17 June 2019, 19:39
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It's a good thing to have especially in this county! And as always, if you need anything just give me a shout.
This can't be the only County in GA that *it's a good thing*. .hahaa!

I'll give you an off topic shout-out for the quick response about those 4:30 a.m. speeders on this very dangerous bit of highway. Patrolman was on scene within 1 shift, and sticking for several days afterward. I appreciate it. Those logging trucks have killed a few friends/family over the years.

And back to the topic at hand.

Why is it a good thing here in our fair county? or Why do you see it as a good thing? Have you experienced where it's helped a situation out?
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Old 17 June 2019, 19:40
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Always keep them forward facing....
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Old 18 June 2019, 07:43
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I won't have an active continuous camera recording. Even honest folks make mistakes and I think its a bad idea for liability purposes to video record your mistakes. Also, as mentioned, be cognizant of your state's laws on audio recording as this potentially can open you to civil liability for recording conversations without getting consent of parties.
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Old 18 June 2019, 09:37
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I drove through the main gate of Fort Campbell a few months ago and the MP asked " that a video recorder?" and I said "Yes." He said "Sir, you'll have to unplug it on post, video recording on post is prohibited without clearance from HQ."


Since I had somewhere to go, I unplugged it, drove about my business, and plugged it in as I left post. Never has the issue come up before or since.


Perhaps one wild card on gate duty.
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Old 18 June 2019, 12:42
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