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Old 6 December 2019, 12:00
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Trend of incidents/attacks at bases

The shooting at Pearl Harbor was a Sailor so I'm leaving that out until a motive is announced.

But....Gate runner using vehicle at Robins AFB in Oct.... LINK

Gate runner at Little Creek-Ft. Story 2 December....LINK

Both speeding into the exit lanes.

Now a shooting at NAS Pensacola....LINK
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Old 6 December 2019, 14:16
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Pensacola shooter was a Saudi student.

From the NYTs so I won't link to prevent them getting clicks, but...

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Three people were shot dead early Friday at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla., and the gunman has been identified as a Saudi national, according to three sources familiar with the investigation.
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Old 6 December 2019, 15:20
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From FOXNEWS, https://www.foxnews.com/us/naval-air...n-place-issued
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Old 6 December 2019, 16:58
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The shooter -- who was wielding a handgun, despite firearms not being allowed on base -- was confronted and taken out by a pair of responding officers, officials say.

Wow, I guess Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani didn't get the word.
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Old 6 December 2019, 21:11
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Wow, I guess Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani didn't get the word.
I believe his presence at the base was a part of this effort:

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In June 2017, the United States approved the continuation of a blanket order training program that includes flight training, technical training, professional military education, specialized training, mobile training teams, and English language training, valued at $750 million.
I could think of a few better ways to spend $750 million.
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Old 7 December 2019, 05:53
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I believe his presence at the base was a part of this effort:



I could think of a few better ways to spend $750 million.
The Saudis pay us to train them.
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Old 8 December 2019, 01:46
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The Saudis pay us to train them.
Are we only teaching them to take off?
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Old 8 December 2019, 03:41
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Cannot even put into words how heartwarming it was to see POTUS immediately accept the King's assurance that they were all horrified at the latest incident.

His immediate tweet about how sorry they were, and how much they intended to help, really made things better.
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Old 6 December 2019, 19:12
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The Pensacola incident hits really close; it hasn’t been long at all since a lot of my buddies and myself went through there and had classes in those buildings, often with the Saudis. I’m glad the response was quick, because it could have been a lot worse at that time of day.
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This may not be a case of terrorism, I have a suspicion it may be related to his performance as a student pilot. No doubt his records are being checked.
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Old 7 December 2019, 12:25
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This may not be a case of terrorism, I have a suspicion it may be related to his performance as a student pilot. No doubt his records are being checked.
...and.... it's terrorism.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/naval-air-station-shooter-manifesto-us-nation-of-evil
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Another Gun Free Kill Zone where only the Bad Guy ignored the "Gun Free" part. RIP peeps.
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This may not be a case of terrorism, I have a suspicion it may be related to his performance as a student pilot. No doubt his records are being checked.
It could have changed, but I doubt it; in the 80's policy was to not fail students from Muslim countries because they might be jailed upon return to the home country.

We figured they'd just kill themselves once they got home and everyone would blame Allah.
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I am sure, as stated above, it was a case of him failing out and he took it upon himself to kill those that failed him. But, the question remains, who gave him the weapon?
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Old 7 December 2019, 07:14
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Six saudis taken into custody. 3 were filming the incident.. Sounds like they were seeing how we react.
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Old 7 December 2019, 08:02
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From a Fox article.

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Saudis have received training at the Pensacola site since the 1970s, with as many as 20 students from the Middle Eastern country in any given class, sources told Fox News. Many of the students are often from the Royal Family, putting pressure on officials to pass pilots through the training program in an attempt to preserve diplomacy with the U.S. ally.

Many U.S. military pilots have complained for decades that some of the Saudi pilots are not safe flyers, sources said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...a-shooting.amp
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Saudis have received training at the Pensacola site since the 1970s, with as many as 20 students from the Middle Eastern country in any given class, sources told Fox News. Many of the students are often from the Royal Family, putting pressure on officials to pass pilots through the training program in an attempt to preserve diplomacy with the U.S. ally.

Many U.S. military pilots have complained for decades that some of the Saudi pilots are not safe flyers, sources said.
That's spot on. Without exaggerating, In 25 years I may have heard of one military student pilot from the Middle East that didn't suck. I've seen them myself, and heard the same from literally every single guy I know that has instructed them since I went through in 1992. It's a work ethic and accountability thing, and it carries over to their follow on squadrons when they get back home.

During a Southern Watch deployment in Kuwait, I was BSing with a couple of former US Navy F-18 pilots that the Kuwaiti Air Force had hired as instructors. I asked how the Kuwaitis were and they said "They're fucking horrible. They're all in the royal family, half the time we can't fly the schedule because they don't bother to show up, and they're impossible to instruct. Keep your head on a swivel when they're airborne."

Couple days later, a two ship of hornets flew right through my tac 4 ship of A-10s, not on purpose, despite having one of the best airborne radars in the world at that time. Turned out, that sort of thing was not unusual. They're a fucking menace even without the jihad part.

I would also like to know where he got the gun.
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Old 7 December 2019, 11:57
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Yeah.... the Saudi/Mideast students rarely graduate as an honor grad. Most of them fail just enough to stay here has long as they possibly can.

If there were other students planning/watching/filming.... Seems more than just, “I’m mad I’m failing, and it’s their fault.”
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Old 7 December 2019, 12:21
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Yeah.... the Saudi/Mideast students rarely graduate as an honor grad. Most of them fail just enough to stay here has long as they possibly can.

If there were other students planning/watching/filming.... Seems more than just, “I’m mad I’m failing, and it’s their fault.”
Or the possibility they’re all failing and he drew the short straw on committing the act.
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Old 7 December 2019, 12:39
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Or the possibility they’re all failing and he drew the short straw on committing the act.
I just don’t buy a conspiracy of retaliation for being bad at the job, based on what I saw. maybe if they’re all in their own class. Not sure how the Navy runs theirs, but Army just stuck individuals into classes and they recycled phases until they got called home or eventually graduated.

School of the Americas ran their own program, in Spanish. AF did too (in AF I presume). But Europeans and Saudis were plugged into our classes individually.

If the Navy does the same, the Saudis had to have conspired on the attack. That speaks more to ideology than anger to me based on what I saw of them when I was in courses.
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