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Old 22 February 2017, 12:15
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Is it wrong that I think that picture is sexier than the cover of the latest SI swimsuit issue?
Actually, yes, as it is a Springfield, your arousal speaks to underlying homosexual tendencies. So there's that.

gavin can help you with that......
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Old 6 March 2017, 13:53
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This one finally arrived after 3 months, chambered in 9mm.
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Old 6 March 2017, 22:16
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Anyone ever own or shoot the Springfield Armory Omega?
Might have the chance to check one out for sale.
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Old 6 March 2017, 23:51
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This one finally arrived after 3 months, chambered in 9mm
Ed Brown?
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Anyone ever own or shoot the Springfield Armory Omega?
Might have the chance to check one out for sale.
The Omega is a collector's item of sorts. If you see one for a good price, buy it.
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This one finally arrived after 3 months, chambered in 9mm.
Very nice.
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Old 7 March 2017, 14:42
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Ed Brown?
Yes, executive carry, gun shoot much better than I do
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Old 8 March 2017, 14:35
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I have a 4" Executive Carry with the bobtail grip. Very nice pistol.
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Old 11 March 2017, 18:08
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Taking a cue from TFG I have narrowed down the gift for my son's upcoming graduation. It will be a 9mm version of either the DW Guardian or Kimber Pro Raptor II. I would personally prefer to get him the DW, but it is his choice.

Are there any issues with QC at the Pro Raptor level that I need to be concerned with? Pricing puts the Kimber a $200 cheaper than the DW.

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Old 11 March 2017, 19:20
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QC at any level is a concern for me, and I will not buy another Kimber unless there is a drastic change in management at the company.

With that caveat aside, most Kimber QC issues seem to be with alloy frame mobels. There is also the extractor issue, but that is not a QC issue.

At that price point I'd go with STI or Colt.
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Old 11 March 2017, 19:55
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The Raptor Pro II is an all stainless steel pistol, I believe. My second favorite Kimber pistol line in the Kimber stable. Dan Wesson makes a nice pistol, but the 1911 sites have guys wining about them left and right.

The Raptor in 9mm gets my vote. Kimber has more complaints because they make more 1911's than all of the other manufacturers combined. Colt is not even a distant third IMHO.
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Thanks for the input Gents.

Gavin the STI appeals as it is a smaller batch and local product. Few QC issues to be found with my brief searches. The Guardian there in the 2011 lineup is a good looking option.

TFG, thanks and I hadn't read any complaints on the DW, but with the parent company it shouldn't be too much a surprise. I will keep an eye out on the Kimber thru my local store.
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Old 12 March 2017, 00:16
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Thanks for the input Gents.

Gavin the STI appeals as it is a smaller batch and local product. Few QC issues to be found with my brief searches. The Guardian there in the 2011 lineup is a good looking option.

TFG, thanks and I hadn't read any complaints on the DW, but with the parent company it shouldn't be too much a surprise. I will keep an eye out on the Kimber thru my local store.
I own a different model Dan Wesson(specialist) and I am very happy with it for what its worth. My kimber doest look or feel quite as nice but shoots just as well.
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Old 12 March 2017, 10:07
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QC at any level is a concern for me, and I will not buy another Kimber unless there is a drastic change in management at the company.

With that caveat aside, most Kimber QC issues seem to be with alloy frame mobels. There is also the extractor issue, but that is not a QC issue.

At that price point I'd go with STI or Colt.
I admit, there are some common issues with Kimbers.

The external extractor was a huge sacrilege and mistake. They typically replace the slide of such guns if you have an issue.

The extractor tension. I am not sure what causes this but it is easy to fix. I know, shouldn't happen in a $1000 pistol.

Slide release, especially in Ultras is too beefy and can cause RN projectiles to cause a premature slide lock.

Some other part that is ground or finished improperly.

If you read the 1911 forums, even Wilson Combat and other custom gun makers have complaints. I bought an Ed Brown that had too much metal on the mag release and it "stuck" I sent it back and I am still not happy with it. Never had this issue with a Kimber.

Some issues are caused when the owner of a new pistol doesn't break it in. I have a patented method to do that, but often times folks take it to a smith that makes changes that don't need to be made. Others have issues because they do not buy new springs after buying a used gun.

One thing that has improved at Kimber is the customer service. If you get a snarky agent, call back. The good ones are there.

Lastly, I think that if you are going to be an aficionado of 1911's you need to know how to do some minor repairs. I have had a few Kimbers with issues and have been able to fix them, mostly by fixing the issues mentioned above.
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Old 12 March 2017, 10:13
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Thanks for the input Gents.

Gavin the STI appeals as it is a smaller batch and local product. Few QC issues to be found with my brief searches. The Guardian there in the 2011 lineup is a good looking option.

TFG, thanks and I hadn't read any complaints on the DW, but with the parent company it shouldn't be too much a surprise. I will keep an eye out on the Kimber thru my local store.
Dan Wesson makes a good Pistol and most buyers are very happy with them. My point is that too many people complain, especially about Kimbers, when they have never even owned one. This is why I predicate my critiques with my level of experience with that equipment. Most critics across the Internet just state that you should buy what they bought to sooth their own souls, not after 5k rounds of experience. Most folks here have that experience or some semblance there of.

Someone always knew a guys whose brother had a friend that read about a... See my point.
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QC at any level is a concern for me, and I will not buy another Kimber unless there is a drastic change in management at the company.

With that caveat aside, most Kimber QC issues seem to be with alloy frame mobels. There is also the extractor issue, but that is not a QC issue.

At that price point I'd go with STI or Colt.
I know very little about STI's, never shot one. Do they make a pistol in this price point? These are the guys that make the double stack 2011, right?
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Old 12 March 2017, 10:40
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I know very little about STI's, never shot one. Do they make a pistol in this price point? These are the guys that make the double stack 2011, right?
First TFG, thanks for your further breakdown regarding your personal Kimber experiences and I completely understood what you meant about numbers sold vs complains by actual owners.

I actually planned on including a tube of your patented "break in lube" with the pistol and explaination on what to do with it.

It looks like STI currently makes the Guardian model in 2011 form only, but my local dealer has one showing in his inventory when they made it 1911 as well. It's retail is $1199 which puts it right at the Kimber and $200 less than the Dan Wesson.
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Old 12 March 2017, 10:48
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I own a different model Dan Wesson(specialist) and I am very happy with it for what its worth. My kimber doest look or feel quite as nice but shoots just as well.
I've been looking at one of these (the Specialist) vs. the Valor. Is the rail is the only difference?
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Old 12 March 2017, 12:03
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I have not owned a STI, but folks I know that own and shoot them seem happy. The price range can go from Wilson Combat level down to the sub-$1K range, depending on model.

Over the last 10 years I have moved away from the 1911, and I now only own 2, a Kimber Tactical Pro II and a Series 80 Colt with that I have had worked over by Wilson Combat (only Colt parts left are the slide and frame, all other parts now WC).

I like the 1911 platform in a nostalgic sense, and always will, because, well, "Murica! For gifts and commemorative presentations, nothing beats a good 1911.

I strongly concur with TFG on the idea that the happiest 1911 owners are the folks that like to tinker a bit. The feature that makes the 1911 such a great shooter (low bore axis) also is its greatest deficit.

TFG is spot-on ref the external extractor design flaw.

There is a lot of bad press about Kimber QC issues. As TFG writes, tinkering and parts replacement can address most Kimber issues. The major QC problem that can't be addressed revolve around the alloy frames breaking/wearing out with relatively low round count.

Older Kimbers (90s) are awesome. Ron Cohen-era Kimbers to present, sort of like Ron Cohen-era Sigs...
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I've been looking at one of these (the Specialist) vs. the Valor. Is the rail is the only difference?
rail, flared magwell, and I dont think the valor has an ambi safety. I think its the same otherwise though.
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