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Old 4 April 2020, 08:11
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Navy Captain relieved of aircraft carrier command

This has been big news lately, and strangely have not seen it addressed on here- thought it was worthy of its own thread despite being Corona related.

So apparently the Captain of the USS Teddy Roosevelt had an outbreak on his ship- asked for permission to quarantine his crew on land and was ignored by his leadership- so he put everyone on blast in an email, and got relived. His crew cheered him and chanted his name as he left the ship.

Good luck meeting your retention and recruiting goals this year, Navy. No a good look for the DoD. Hopefully Trump will take notice and compel the Navy to re-instate him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ising-n1175946
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Old 4 April 2020, 08:27
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Lol, so it's cool to you that a commanding officer of one of our most lethal platforms notified the world that there's a possible issue with readiness?

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You just don't move a couple 1000 people overnight and copying others on a hysterical email would have resulted in a court martial if an enlisted person had done the same to him. He got off easy in my opinion.

This guy appears to have panicked, and I wonder how he would have performed in combat if his judgment went sideways so quick over young healthy people testing positive for the virus.

The cruise ship captain handled the issue leagues better than this dude did.
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Lol, so it's cool to you that a commanding officer of one of our most lethal platforms notified the world that there's a possible issue with readiness?

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You just don't move a couple 1000 people overnight and copying others on a hysterical email would have resulted in a court martial if an enlisted person had done the same to him. He got off easy in my opinion.

This guy appears to have panicked, and I wonder how he would have performed in combat if his judgment went sideways so quick over young healthy people testing positive for the virus.

The cruise ship captain handled the issue leagues better than this dude did.
Well, I suppose if you're in the camp that COVID-19 is no big deal, then yeah
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Or I'm in the camp that leadership isn't an email to 20-30 people claiming the end is near due to a virus, then allowing all my officers to assemble on the hanger deck to wish me the best.
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That is the most condescending memo I've seen in a long time. He wasn't writing it for his leadership and peers; they all know and understand the challenges inherent in living on top of each other in a crowded warship. There wasn't anything in there that isn't fully understood by any officer or senior enlisted. He wrote that memo for the press and public.

I bet he retires soon and runs for congress next election cycle as a Democratic candidate.
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Or I'm in the camp that leadership isn't an email to 20-30 people claiming the end is near due to a virus, then allowing all my officers to assemble on the hanger deck to wish me the best.
To 20-30 people including at least one news outlet, if what I've read is correct.
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From an outsider's perspective, this situation raised a couple of questions:

Why did he write an email/memo with 20-30 people cc'd on it? Does a Navy Captain/CO of a Nuclear Aircraft Carrier not have a secure means to communicate with his CoC? The method by which he sent up his concerns tells me all I need to know about his motives.

Isn't the Carrier Strike Group commander an Admiral, who's usually on the carrier (I get that he's not the CO of the carrier...just that he's located on it)? Wouldn't that be the Captain's immediate CoC right there? Did he go around his boss by sending up an email vs. taking his concerns right to him?

Of course, my initial reaction was "Holy shit. This guy just told the world that we basically have a carrier out of commission. That can't be a good thing."
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Yes the Admiral was on board.
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Yeah, this Captain fucked up, on purpose.
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So does that mean the answer to this is "yes"...?

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Isn't the Carrier Strike Group commander an Admiral, who's usually on the carrier (I get that he's not the CO of the carrier...just that he's located on it)? Wouldn't that be the Captain's immediate CoC right there? Did he go around his boss by sending up an email vs. taking his concerns right to him?
Pardon the ignorance. I have no reason to know the workings of the US Navy or the CoC of a Carrier Strike Group.

Edit: I finally got the link to open and the statement answers my question. Thank you.
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From an outsider's perspective, this situation raised a couple of questions:

Why did he write an email/memo with 20-30 people cc'd on it? Does a Navy Captain/CO of a Nuclear Aircraft Carrier not have a secure means to communicate with his CoC? The method by which he sent up his concerns tells me all I need to know about his motives.

Isn't the Carrier Strike Group commander an Admiral, who's usually on the carrier (I get that he's not the CO of the carrier...just that he's located on it)? Wouldn't that be the Captain's immediate CoC right there? Did he go around his boss by sending up an email vs. taking his concerns right to him?

Of course, my initial reaction was "Holy shit. This guy just told the world that we basically have a carrier out of commission. That can't be a good thing."
And worse, given that TR made port in Guam according to reports, he not only told the world we basically have a carrier out of commission, but rather he told the entire world that a carrier whose AOR was likely the Western Pacific/Philippine Sea was effectively out of commission.

The way he sent this memo, both via insecure means and an end run around the chain of command, did nothing but reinforce any feelings his subordinates may have had that they cannot trust the CoC.
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A question I've had from the beginning is who authorized the TR's 5 day port visit to Danang in early March? 7th Fleet? PACOM? The boat had individuals showing symptoms shortly after they left VN on it's way back CONUS. The CSG Commander's office/stateroom is probably a few doors down from the Skippers on a CVN and it's not like they didn't see each other 3 times a day in the flag mess. Did he express his concern to him/her? 7th Fleet? PACOM? At what point did he see fit to transmit this info, that 1 of the 2 CVN's in WESTPAC was combat ineffective over an unsecure network, then share that info with the SF Chronicle? I bet Xi, Putin and Kim were elated to read that info. As the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

ETA: Sorry hile, I was typing similar concerns while you were.

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Two points:

He ignored the chain of command

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No sympathy for the Captain.

He F'ed up in a number of areas and should have been relieved.

But, yes, the ones in the younger generation that sit in their mother's basement are cheering for him.
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From an outsider's perspective, this situation raised a couple of questions:

Why did he write an email/memo with 20-30 people cc'd on it? Does a Navy Captain/CO of a Nuclear Aircraft Carrier not have a secure means to communicate with his CoC? The method by which he sent up his concerns tells me all I need to know about his motives.

Isn't the Carrier Strike Group commander an Admiral, who's usually on the carrier (I get that he's not the CO of the carrier...just that he's located on it)? Wouldn't that be the Captain's immediate CoC right there? Did he go around his boss by sending up an email vs. taking his concerns right to him?

Of course, my initial reaction was "Holy shit. This guy just told the world that we basically have a carrier out of commission. That can't be a good thing."
I’m pretty sure that wasn’t his first course of action. He probably used official channels and was repeatedly blown off.

I mean wow, the Chinese know that one out of the 11 goddamned carriers we have is out of commission? Woopedee-do. We can’t peel off another one to cover down on China’s one worthless converted casino boat carrier? You think maybe we could take a few weeks off being the world’s policeman to see to our own problems. You know, like “America First” and all.
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I’m pretty sure that wasn’t his first course of action. He probably used official channels and was repeatedly blown off.

I mean wow, the Chinese know that one out of the 11 goddamned carriers we have is out of commission? Woopedee-do. We can’t peel off another one to cover down on China’s one worthless converted casino boat carrier? You think maybe we could take a few weeks off being the world’s policeman to see to our own problems. You know, like “America First” and all.
Look, I'm sure China keeps pretty good tabs on the whereabouts and readiness of our Carrier Strike Groups. I'm not saying we were the Japanese steaming toward Pearl Harbor and his email gave us away.

You know as well as I do that Intel isn't about capturing the entire picture all at once, but putting small pieces of information together. Those small pieces, when looked at in a vacuum, are often seen as "meh, not a big deal"...but who knows what nuances or tiny details someone might have learned that they otherwise wouldn't have had he not publicized his problem.

That right there is reason enough to not do what he did.

My first question is the one that relates to the most glaringly obvious issue (to me). It's not like the CO of a carrier is lacking a secure means to communicate with his CoC. An unsecured email with 20-30 people copied on it screams of "I'm not going to leak it to the press. I'm just going to send it out to so many people that it's inevitably going to be leaked to the press."

From my non-mil/Navy POV, he should be shit-canned for that alone. If I was SECNAV/SECDEF/CINC, I wouldn't tolerate people playing fuck-fuck games either.
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I’m pretty sure that wasn’t his first course of action. He probably used official channels and was repeatedly blown off.

I mean wow, the Chinese know that one out of the 11 goddamned carriers we have is out of commission? Woopedee-do. We can’t peel off another one to cover down on China’s one worthless converted casino boat carrier? You think maybe we could take a few weeks off being the world’s policeman to see to our own problems. You know, like “America First” and all.
Of course you know better. You always do.

Except it wasn't his call to make that info public, whether you or this poor example of leadership felt it was or not.

Again, I'm sure he would have burned an enlisted person to the ground for doing similar, yet he felt it was ok to act like this? Lol sure thing...
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He ignored the chain of command

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Of course you know better. You always do.

Except it wasn't his call to make that info public, whether you or this poor example of leadership felt it was or not.

Again, I'm sure he would have burned an enlisted person to the ground for doing similar, yet he felt it was ok do act like this? Lol sure thing...
What does this have to do with me "knowing better"? I'm just expressing an opinion like everyone else on here.

You are absolutely right they would have crushed an enlisted guy for doing that. We agree on that at least.

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My first question is the one that relates to the most glaringly obvious issue (to me). It's not like the CO of a carrier is lacking a secure means to communicate with his CoC. An unsecured email with 20-30 people copied on it screams of "I'm not going to leak it to the press. I'm just going to send it out to so many people that it's inevitably going to be leaked to the press."
If that email was his first attempt at communicating his situation to higher, then, yeah, burn him down. The NY times is reporting this, however:

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But a Navy official familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly about it said that the captain had repeatedly asked his superiors for speedy action to evacuate the ship. His letter, the official said, came because the Navy was still minimizing the risk.
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