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Old 22 June 2018, 10:23
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CNN chyron said "Trump's flip-flop on family separation creates more chaos on border"

WTF can POTUS do? Damned if he does, damned if he don't.

Fox chyron said "The Pentagon has been tasked with locating military bases that can take in a total of 20,000 unaccompanied minors".

20,000? What happened to 10,000? Do they expect it double?
It's 10,000 now, it'll be 20,000 once they start shitting out anchor babies.
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Old 22 June 2018, 10:30
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It sounds like the Dims are finally having to admit the truth about some things. At least three times already today I've heard a lib mention that it is illegal to send minors with adults to the detention facility. Even Gov. Cuomo said it.
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Old 22 June 2018, 10:33
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It sounds like the Dims are finally having to admit the truth about some things. At least three times already today I've heard a lib mention that it is illegal to send minors with adults to the detention facility. Even Gov. Cuomo said it.
You can't separate the families, but then you can't send the children with the parents. Oh well then let's just release everyone. The Dems want to make this as chaotic as possible without ever signing anything into law prior to mid-terms.
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Old 22 June 2018, 10:37
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God damn NPR is in full-on propaganda mode right now. Holy balls the depth of hysterical "OMG THE CHILDREN!!!!!!" shrieking they are conducting is absolutely insane.

If you listen between the lines of their garbage proselytizing and loaded rhetorical questions, you can tell they're trying to use this "no separation of children from parents" thing to set up little govt-funded colonies (more so that the average natural ones by the illegal communities) on DoD/DHS facilities.

Here's how it goes when you know the end destination the leftists want: Can't separate the children from the parents, and since we can't house the children in a penitentiary (more emotional babbling directed at the nation's soyboy cucks and outright subversives) we can't keep the parents in the jails for deportation either. What do? We set up little family camps.

Then that'll work for a few months until some libshit gets a drone and takes aerial photos of the housing areas ---- a photo that will be planned from the start to evolve into a emotional comparisons to "internment camps" and other bullshit. Probably complete with that disgusting pos Takei making a twitter and morning show appearances sayig "oh yes--- they do remind me of the internment camps I grew up in (etc etc)". The hysterical bleating will start again. Eventually they'll move to 'house' these people in somewhere not surrounded by razor wire. But where? Insert some pre-drafted legislation/policy/EO/etc to move them into areas paid for via the various HUD/welfare programs, maybe even throwing the RINOs a bone by having a clause of moving them out under "house arrest" conditions --- likely in a multitude of sanctuary cities in America. From which they will mysteriously "disappear". And the WIC rolls will skyrocket. Anchor babies will be had by the truckload (paid for by your taxes and overburdened ER rooms). And the (D) voter rolls will explode with new voters. And wage growth in America will be stymied for yet another decade.

All according to plan.
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Old 22 June 2018, 11:18
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The "Zero Tolerance" policy is really a misnomer. What the policy did was do away with "VR"s (AKA Voluntary Return), which seems to be known by the media as "Catch and Release". VR's were a discretionary tool that was available to USBP, and each station used it differently according to how many arrests were being made at the time in that Station's AO. So, if I arrest Juan Valdez, and he is a) from Mexico b) Has less previous apprehensions than my station's limit and c) has no criminal record other than EWI (Entry Without Inspection), then we could just take them to the Port of Entry, do about 10 minutes of processing them, and keep them in a holding cell. Mexican immigration walked over every 3-4 hours and picked up whatever we had in custody and walked them back across the border and released them, at which point they were free to try again.

At my Station, the limit of VR's was 5. So, the 5th time you were apprehended, no VR. Now you get processed for deportation, which requires about 70 pages of paperwork encompassing 3-4 hours minimum per person and you are detained at the nearest Immigration Camp. In some cases, if they met the requirements, they could be "OR'ed" (Own Recognizance) which meant they were issued paperwork to stay with a relative until their immigration hearing (which nobody ever showed up for).

The driving force behind all of this, was bedspace. There simply wasn't enough room at the Immigration Camp to house all of the illegals that we were processing for deportation. So, we were forced to OR some who should have been held, but we had no place to hold them.

An important note here, is that all of this was considered an "Adminstrative Violation", not criminal. It only became criminal if you had been formally deported, and then were caught again (Re-Entry After Deportation). Now, you don't go to the camp, you go to the County Jail until trial. If convicted, you're looking at some time in Fed Prison and another deportation. Prison time escales with each successive re-entry and apprehension.

Another important note, is that you were ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR VR, if you were Mexican. It is a violation of law to deport someone to anywhere other than their country of origin. So, we had an entire class of detainees that we called OTM's, which stood for "Other Than Mexican". OTM's could not be VR'ed, so they had to ALL be processed for deportation, and deported back to their home country. Obviously they prefer to just walk back across the bridge to Mexico so they can get another try, rather than going all the way back to El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala or wherever and having to start over from scratch. So, they would make every attempt to convince us that they were in fact Mexican citizens. We had solid ways of figuring that out when we suspected they weren't Mexican that I won't go into. It suffices to say that there are language and cultural nuances that allowed us to figure it out and make them admit where they were actually from. In some cases you had Agents who were just lazy and would take it at face value that they were Mexican simply because they didn't want to do 3-4 manhours of paperwork per person (they usually traveled in groups so a group of 10 could easily mean half of the shift with half of the Agents on duty doing paperwork.

So, just a few facts to put things in perspective. I haven't been in USBP since 2002 but not much has changed in that regard until very recently.
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Old 22 June 2018, 11:26
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Old 22 June 2018, 11:28
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God damn NPR is in full-on propaganda mode right now. Holy balls the depth of hysterical "OMG THE CHILDREN!!!!!!" shrieking they are conducting is absolutely insane.
I was working in SW Washington for the last couple weeks and was picking up radio stations out of Portland. At one point yesterday they had a segment about the chemical response to being taken from the parents and how it could cause issues later in life like , heart disease, asthma etc.
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Old 22 June 2018, 11:30
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Simple fix: offer citizenship to detainees who volunteer to help build "The Wall". I bet they'd build an earthen berm 30 feet high within a month using shovels.

Of course, the MSM would spin it as them digging mass graves for their ultimate execution by POTUS's stormtroopers.
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Old 22 June 2018, 12:41
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So, just a few facts to put things in perspective. I haven't been in USBP since 2002 but not much has changed in that regard until very recently.
Was there a GPS ankle bracelet alternative back then? My understanding its much cheaper, like less than two dollars a day to put them under monitoring than whatever $300+/day figure it for detention and that they have had a higher rate of court appearances than the OR option you mentioned.
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Old 22 June 2018, 13:10
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Was there a GPS ankle bracelet alternative back then? My understanding its much cheaper, like less than two dollars a day to put them under monitoring than whatever $300+/day figure it for detention and that they have had a higher rate of court appearances than the OR option you mentioned.
No, it wasn't an available option for us at the time, but makes sense unless they just cut it off and disappear.
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Old 22 June 2018, 13:24
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The left is going absolutely nuts over this. I saw today that good old mega slut stormy is going to go down to the boarder to maximize her resources to help the children. The new face of the left porn star Stormy going down to south of the boarder to get trained by illegals for the good of humanity. Oh not before she makes 3 stops to strip clubs on the way. For the children. In a million years you could not make this up.
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Old 22 June 2018, 13:38
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No, it wasn't an available option for us at the time, but makes sense unless they just cut it off and disappear.
I was just thinking that (the bold part). My buddies on the parole and probation part of the system said that if they cut it off, or even leave it on and go outside their "approved areas" no one does shit unless they are violent/dangerous etc. And often they are only hassled IF they happen to show up for their next meeting with their parole officer.

GPS bracelets sound awesome. But imagine trying to track thousands and thousands of people via "find my phone" apps. that is what it is like. someone, a person has to look at it, find the person and actually bring them in or confront them. If they cut it off and leave... nothing you can do.
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I was just thinking that (the bold part). My buddies on the parole and probation part of the system said that if they cut it off, or even leave it on and go outside their "approved areas" no one does shit unless they are violent/dangerous etc. And often they are only hassled IF they happen to show up for their next meeting with their parole officer.

GPS bracelets sound awesome. But imagine trying to track thousands and thousands of people via "find my phone" apps. that is what it is like. someone, a person has to look at it, find the person and actually bring them in or confront them. If they cut it off and leave... nothing you can do.
It's nowhere near perfect. My understanding in this application though is that they have a high court appearance rate because by not staying in detention, getting a bracelet and a date to show up for some reason they generally think they "won" their new status or stand a better chance or whatever.
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Old 22 June 2018, 14:12
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It's nowhere near perfect. My understanding in this application though is that they have a high court appearance rate because by not staying in detention, getting a bracelet and a date to show up for some reason they generally think they "won" their new status or stand a better chance or whatever.
well, all I can say is that tech as a solution (in my experience) often fails when it comes to criminals. There is a reason something like 70-80% of released asylum seekers don't show for their court appearances and are given deportation notices in absentia.

I mean picture it. You just came from some central american shithole. You spent weeks and every penny you ever saved to get here.

You planned to get across the border and your "people" in chicago or kansas or cali would put you up until you could work some. you plan on living illegally forever because you know that your kids can goto school, you can get emergency health care, and even with more kids get more welfare benefits even if illegal.

You get caught 1 mile in. You get processed and get a GPS device slapped on a day or two later, and are told "OK, we can track you, come back to court 187 days from now...

You already planned to live illegally. You crossed illegally. These are not folks at some port of entry claiming asylum.

Guess what... 10-14 days later you cut it off in Cali and hitch a ride for 100 bucks to your friend's place in KC... and disappear.

don't think it happens? why would someone who planned on living here illegally care if they... LIVED HERE ILLEGALLY????

I never worked the border. I spent my time around Chicago and Milwaukee and upper mid-west towns where folks landed at the end of the ride. This is how they think. Most never do anything nasty again, but they are still here illegally and that doesnt bother them a bit.
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well, all I can say is that tech as a solution (in my experience) often fails when it comes to criminals. There is a reason something like 70-80% of released asylum seekers don't show for their court appearances and are given deportation notices in absentia.

I mean picture it. You just came from some central american shithole. You spent weeks and every penny you ever saved to get here.

You planned to get across the border and your "people" in chicago or kansas or cali would put you up until you could work some. you plan on living illegally forever because you know that your kids can goto school, you can get emergency health care, and even with more kids get more welfare benefits even if illegal.

You get caught 1 mile in. You get processed and get a GPS device slapped on a day or two later, and are told "OK, we can track you, come back to court 187 days from now...

You already planned to live illegally. You crossed illegally. These are not folks at some port of entry claiming asylum.

Guess what... 10-14 days later you cut it off in Cali and hitch a ride for 100 bucks to your friend's place in KC... and disappear.

don't think it happens? why would someone who planned on living here illegally care if they... LIVED HERE ILLEGALLY????

I never worked the border. I spent my time around Chicago and Milwaukee and upper mid-west towns where folks landed at the end of the ride. This is how they think. Most never do anything nasty again, but they are still here illegally and that doesnt bother them a bit.
Again, I didn't say it is perfect. It is an option that some people like Sen. Ted Cruz are floating in addition to more judges. It is part of pushing the processing system for removal and lowering some of the costs while changing some of the optics.
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Old 22 June 2018, 16:57
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Yet another reason to be even tougher on Mexico. This guy is on his way to being the new Mexican president and he wants to flood the US with Mexican immigrants, and also to give complete amnesty to the cartels.

His bio makes him look like the the Mexican Nancy Pelosi.


‘IT’S A HUMAN RIGHT’: MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON MASS EXODUS TO AMERICA

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El Rato is doing El Rato things because he's up for election. His ideas should be judged to be no more than him trying to NOT be controversial in an election year. Nothing more.
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This is why "The Wall" is absolutely required and why the shitlibs hate it so desperately. If the invading illegals never make it here, it's a Mexican problem and all the Squatamalans/Hondos etc are their problem, not ours. S/F....Ken M
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Yet another reason to be even tougher on Mexico. This guy is on his way to being the new Mexican president and he wants to flood the US with Mexican immigrants, and also to give complete amnesty to the cartels.

His bio makes him look like the the Mexican Nancy Pelosi.


‘IT’S A HUMAN RIGHT’: MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON MASS EXODUS TO AMERICA

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/me...ration-speech/
AMLO is a commie short & sweet. He used to be a PRIista but even his ideas were too far left for PRI.

PRI is the equivalent of the US Democrat Party, PAN is the equivalent of the US Republican Party. The other parties such as PRD, PRG, PT, Green, PNA and the others are pretty much socialistic/communistic political parties.

The current president, Peña Nieto, is from PRI. His two predecessors, Calderon & Fox, were from PAN.

AMLO will NOT be the next president of México even though he is a 'bread & circus' politician.
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Well AMLO is currently leading in the polling, so Mexico may very well do it. Now, the interesting thing is the question of what happens then? If Mexico continues/accelerates dumping their human trash on the US, the American reaction is going to be somewhere between Wisconsin deer camp (If it's brown, shoot it down...pass me another beer) and Mr Sulu's big, gay, involuntary family vacation. S/F....Ken M
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