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Old 13 January 2020, 19:29
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See Post #31. I suspect the "Deep State" is going pass legislation to give the government the authority to compel the makers to weaken their product security.
It is a bipartisan effort and that right there should concern everyone.
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I have no doubts a major attempt is starting. The same backdoor the government is seeking will be exploited against them. They're shooting themselves in the foot. A major law enforcement agency uses iPhones almost exclusively for their work.
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Old 13 January 2020, 19:51
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A major law enforcement agency uses iPhones almost exclusively for their work.
That just means the legislation will carve out an exception for law enforcement.

It'd be nice if Apple then said something to the effect that they won't make two different levels of the same model. But I'm not hopeful.
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Old 13 January 2020, 19:54
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That just means the legislation will carve out an exception for law enforcement.

It'd be nice if Apple then said something to the effect that they won't make two different levels of the same model. But I'm not hopeful.
That won't matter. Creating a purposeful flaw goes both ways. You can't create a system that will only work for the government. If you did make two different phones, that means millions of phones manufactured versus a handful for the government. Apple would sink.
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New mass media article on counter surveillance:

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-surveillance/

Not sure if it’s of any value beyond that it is published for gen pop consumption.

A source I have found to be pretty solid for tech related news and “reading the room” when it comes to tech is Hacker News, created by y-combinator(incubator that spawned Airbnb, Dropbox, Stripe, Coinbase and 2000 more).

It’s kind of like Socnet for tech workers. And like Socnet, there’s a bunch of big swinging Richards posting there.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22028422

I reckon it’s a source worth lurking and searching for insider commentary on tech issues, including surveillance.

It can get pretty tech heavy, but it has certainly helped me to get a better insider perspective on some tech issues.
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Old 14 January 2020, 13:29
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From today's coverage of the terrorist attack in NAS Pensacola.
They are not able to crack the devices - at least that is what they are telling the public.
Fuck Bob Barr. Why doesn't he just give it to his Israeli buddies? The attack on US Citizens privacy is constant and never ending - weaken the 4th and go after the 2nd. I'll take the 1 or 2 "attacks" every few years, for $1000, Alex. In other news: 14 people killed in Chicago this past weekend, up from 11 the previous weekend (fake headline to prove a point).

Terrorism....Hahahahahahahaha!
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Old 14 January 2020, 14:39
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New mass media article on counter surveillance:

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-surveillance/

Not sure if it’s of any value beyond that it is published for gen pop consumption.

A source I have found to be pretty solid for tech related news and “reading the room” when it comes to tech is Hacker News, created by y-combinator(incubator that spawned Airbnb, Dropbox, Stripe, Coinbase and 2000 more).

It’s kind of like Socnet for tech workers. And like Socnet, there’s a bunch of big swinging Richards posting there.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22028422

I reckon it’s a source worth lurking and searching for insider commentary on tech issues, including surveillance.

It can get pretty tech heavy, but it has certainly helped me to get a better insider perspective on some tech issues.
Thank you for the recommend! Lots of interesting topics on that site.
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Fuck Bob Barr. Why doesn't he just give it to his Israeli buddies? .....
I believe they are attacking the rate limiter somehow to allow for standard brute force attack. The bounty on cracks these days are generally high enough that if you can do it, it pays better then the close hold / opportunist angle which might net you far less if patched.
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Fuck Bob Barr. Why doesn't he just give it to his Israeli buddies? The attack on US Citizens privacy is constant and never ending - weaken the 4th and go after the 2nd. I'll take the 1 or 2 "attacks" every few years, for $1000, Alex. In other news: 14 people killed in Chicago this past weekend, up from 11 the previous weekend (fake headline to prove a point).

Terrorism....Hahahahahahahaha!
As the Chief of Staff for the last POTUS said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."
The Deep State has been setting this legislation up for years - now they've got to terrorist attacks to cite.
All of the congress critters will return to their districts and assure the voters they voted for this in order to fight terrorism.
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As the Chief of Staff for the last POTUS said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."
The Deep State has been setting this legislation up for years - now they've got to terrorist attacks to cite.
All of the congress critters will return to their districts and assure the voters they voted for this in order to fight terrorism.
Most people don't understand the difference between the device and the cloud as it relates to this. All they hear is Apple.

One thing I read today that I hadn't heard earlier was the Pensacola shooter had purposely put a round though one of his iPhones. FBI was able to get it working somehow.
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The entire debate is being amplified by people who don't understand how technology works, nor value the basic human right of privacy.
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^Read the summary of the Tom Hanks/Emma Watson propaganda movie, The Circle. It conditions the prole populace to accept the surveillance state.

Why won't you just submit and love Big Brother? S/F....Ken M
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Old 15 January 2020, 19:55
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Most people don't understand the difference between the device and the cloud as it relates to this. All they hear is Apple.

One thing I read today that I hadn't heard earlier was the Pensacola shooter had purposely put a round though one of his iPhones. FBI was able to get it working somehow.
That fact was reported. But once the FBI got the iPhone back up, the reports are that Apple (again) refused to assist the FBI in cracking the then functioning phone along with the second iPhone the FBI recovered.
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As the Chief of Staff for the last POTUS said, "Never let a crisis go to waste."
The Deep State has been setting this legislation up for years - now they've got to terrorist attacks to cite.
All of the congress critters will return to their districts and assure the voters they voted for this in order to fight terrorism.
I hear what your saying my friend, I really just use your stuff to add to, not challenge. "Terrorism" as something to worry about, is BS, but plays well to the uneducated masses that are "Most Americans". It's literally like basing national policy on Big Cat attacks. Occasionally, a Lion or Tiger kills somebody, yea, and...? I mean your odds of getting killed in regular crime are so low...in the 25 years I've been on SOCNET, I can't recall one member that has been murdered? Terrorism? I repeat "Hahahahaha!" And lets not even discuss if one entity declares war on another, is it really terrorism when they each kill each other? Terrorism is supposed to be the "Kill one, frighten 10000" thing. If a Saudi Military member, kills a US Military member - how am "I" terrorized?

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That phone didn't cause the terror attack. I realize it may have useful information, but that shouldn't allow the government to compel an organization to fundamentally weaken the security of their product for everyone. Apple also can't meaningfully help. The phone is encrypted using open standards for encryption.
I could be completely wrong....

But I suspect that Apple is trying to take a position on personal privacy that is akin to Nike’s social justice position on Colin Kaepernick.

The bean counters run the numbers and decide that taking “X” position results in “Y” return to shareholders.

Does Nike really care about social justice more than their bottom line?

I suspect Nike cared about social justice because of their bottom line. Nike took a superficial stand, knowing abandoning one demographic, and embracing another demographic more tightly, for profit.

Does Apple really care about personal privacy more than their bottom line?

I suspect Apple is positioning themselves as the major smartphone manufacturer most aligned with personal privacy. I imagine their public facing stance will be to “fight the machine” while they eventually and fully comply with US, China, EU.

I wonder if some bean counting and marketing minions at Apple are crunching numbers(akin to Nike/Kaepernick) to model what their bottom line looks like if Apple are fined/financially punished by government while benefitting in terms of market share by general population believing they care about personal privacy.

A $5 billion fine to Apple is only approx 2% hit to cash on hand.

I suspect we will see two faced political theatre.

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The big picture concern I have is that China’s integration with their Baidu, Alibaba, Tencent, Huawei(BATH) superplatforms is akin to fully integrated economic/diplomatic/military/political combined arms operations in the geopolitical/geodigital realm.

In the US, the fight between FAANG & government is akin to a fight between Air Force and Government and Army with Navy.

It would be awesome if we could have our “cake”(US based superplatforms partnering with government to ensure US continuity in the 21st century) and “eat it too”(ensure the personal privacy and freedoms of the individual).

That whole “shining light on the hill” and “beacon of freedom” that America represents should mean more to more people(but probably doesn’t) when the rest of the world’s leadership is under increasing temptation and pressure to submit to accepting the role of “moderator” within the Chinese “admin” authoritarian operating system.
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I could be completely wrong....
I can't speak to political motivations. I can only speak to the technology. The rest of your post wanders a lot, so I'll just say that Apple doesn't have access to the encryption key. It is generated and maintained on the phone itself, inside of the Secure Enclave. The government is trying to coerce Apple to stop this practice so that the government can get into a person's phone. That's fucked up and worthy of rioting over. It's demonstrable that the government, as well as private entities (Apple included), can't be trusted to not violate someone's privacy. It's the entire reason Apple developed it this way to begin with. They should be applauded.
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Do you think if China's Ministry of State Security captured some radical Uighur's following an attack that Apple would help them crack their iPhone's? I do.
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Do you think if China's Ministry of State Security captured some radical Uighur's following an attack that Apple would help them crack their iPhone's? I do.
But, Apple did help the FBI. They pried right into what they could, and gave the bureau everything they had access to. They can't, however, recover the private key that is generated without redesigning the phone, or pushing a new update that would force every iPhone user to create a new key--one that could be shared with third parties.
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I don't get the butt-pain about the encryptions. A good amount of my job required that I get into a lot of phones. When I came across one that I couldn't, I simply backed off and said, "Dang, now I have to do some more police work in a different direction" and then moved on. Things are what they are. I don't want anyone able to get into my phone...even if it's simply the local crackhead that stole it rather than an terrorist....
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I don't get the butt-pain about the encryptions. A good amount of my job required that I get into a lot of phones. When I came across one that I couldn't, I simply backed off and said, "Dang, now I have to do some more police work in a different direction" and then moved on. Things are what they are. I don't want anyone able to get into my phone...even if it's simply the local crackhead that stole it rather than an terrorist....
Come on Bro, you know that when gloves were invented, all cops were made helpless.
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