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Old 27 September 2017, 22:28
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I was hoping someone would do a miniseries on the subject of the branch dividians but sadly Clinton pal Harvey Weinstein is producing so I expect the truth to be white washed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QcruuokFXsE
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Old 26 January 2018, 23:02
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I remember watching all of this go down on live tv.

I watched the first episode and found it to be well done. They cover Ruby Ridge and it doesn’t paint the feds in a favorable light. The show is based on books from one of the survivors and the FBI hostage negotiator so we get both sides of the story. Koresh had some crazy beliefs and it has always amazed me how people get sucked into these cults and believe that bullshit.

This airs Wednesday nights on Paramount, which used to be Spike.
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Just finished the second epislde. Is it just me or does the show seem to portray Koresh in a mostly positive manner?
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Maybe they’re just showing his charm and why people followed him. These people are messed up to let him fuck their wives while they remain celibate.

It is definitely portraying the ATF as a bunch of morons. I wonder if they really wanted to film this raid as some kind of publicity stunt to make up for Ruby Ridge. As that agent said, the best thing would have been to snatch him when he went on his morning run. I was at DLI when this went down and there were SF guys in my class. They told me an SF unit trained the ATF for this raid and advised them not to do it. I found an article from 1995 confirming that they had given them assistance.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-07-21/news/1995202105_1_davidian-compound-law-enforcement-raid

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Federal agents legally acquired military assistance for their 1993 raid on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas, a panel of Army officials told a congressional hearing investigating the botched assault.
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The bureau needed to show the alleged drug activity at the Davidian compound to receive some of the military aid, specifically help from a special forces unit. Federal authorities have since acknowledged that no evidence of drug activity was found there.
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Old 1 February 2018, 11:06
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It is definitely portraying the ATF as a bunch of morons.
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Maybe they’re just showing his charm and why people followed him. These people are messed up to let him fuck their wives while they remain celibate.

It is definitely portraying the ATF as a bunch of morons. I wonder if they really wanted to film this raid as some kind of publicity stunt to make up for Ruby Ridge. As that agent said, the best thing would have been to snatch him when he went on his morning run. I was at DLI when this went down and there were SF guys in my class. They told me an SF unit trained the ATF for this raid and advised them not to do it. I found an article from 1995 confirming that they had given them assistance.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-07-21/news/1995202105_1_davidian-compound-law-enforcement-raid
The ATF (or DOJ itself) lied to get the armored vehicles from the military as well. They seemed to do a good job of pissing off the military providing the assistance.
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The raid was designed from the start to be a headline grabbing case, and it totally backfired on them. What's amazing is that they knew they'd lost the element of surprise but decided to go ahead with it anyway.

Like a lot of things in life, sometimes an event gathers so much momentum that nobody wants to put the brakes on it. Like a sunk cost, they had so much invested, they wanted to get a return no matter what.
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Old 1 February 2018, 16:51
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The raid was designed from the start to be a headline grabbing case, and it totally backfired on them.
Well......technically.....they succeeded in that regard.
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Old 1 February 2018, 17:07
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It certainly did.

It was a tragedy certainly, the way it ended, but I have to admit that it was one of the most bizarre events I've ever watched play out on national TV. You knew things were going to end badly when they started loudly broadcasting the sound of rabbits being slaughtered.

Who knew that somebody actually recorded the sounds of rabbit slaughters?
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but sadly Clinton pal Harvey Weinstein is producing so I expect the truth to be white washed.
Hopefully not in the same way Weinstein white washed starlets.
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Who knew that somebody actually recorded the sounds of rabbit slaughters?
Predator hunters use recordings of rabbits screaming and other prey animals in distress to call in foxes, coyotes, etc. Been around since the days of reel to reel.
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Thanks for the info, Nick. I've never heard of that practice, but it makes sense when you think about it.

Are there any call devices out there similar to a duck call but that mimics a particular animal in distress? I figure that might come in handy if you're looking to bag some coyotes.
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I was in Albuquerque this week and had a chance to meet up with another bud from the Corps that was a SS in 2/4 back in the day. He's into MMA now .

Not only did he apparently knock out a SAS dude in a a charity exhibition fight (lol), he was an extra in this Waco movie. He was one of the ATF agents in the back of the 5 ton. Says he got $4k for the gig and is in many of the episodes. So while I probably know the way hollyweird will inevitably slant this miniseries, I'll watch it to spot George in his scenes.
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I was in Albuquerque this week and had a chance to meet up with another bud from the Corps that was a SS in 2/4 back in the day. He's into MMA now .

Not only did he apparently knock out a SAS dude in a a charity exhibition fight (lol), he was an extra in this Waco movie. He was one of the ATF agents in the back of the 5 ton. Says he got $4k for the gig and is in many of the episodes. So while I probably know the way hollyweird will inevitably slant this miniseries, I'll watch it to spot George in his scenes.
That was an excellent podcast with your boy.
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Not bad.
One down, I'll binge on this tonight.
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